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United RFP???
Anyone know more about this?
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this may be the extra flying comair was speaking about.
Do you have more information about it? |
All I've heard about this is that they are looking for 10Q400's based in DEN, and a 50 aircraft mix of 50/70/and 86 seaters....I know nothing else nor do I know if these are definative numbers....nor do I know where the jets would be based...
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I've herd they are asking AWAC to submit a bid, but we all know how that'll go... Compete to win my friends, compete to win.
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Ok I give. What is RFP ???
IHIWGUA... |
I can think of a little houston-based company that United has been very impressed with who might soon have some airplanes needing homes....
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Originally Posted by bigtoe
(Post 385244)
Ok I give. What is RFP ???
IHIWGUA... RFP = Really Fat Passenger |
Request for Proposal
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Request
For Proposal |
Originally Posted by G-Dog
(Post 385260)
Request
For Proposal Thanks. Silly me; how on earth did I not know that. IHIWGUA |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 385256)
I can think of a little houston-based company that United has been very impressed with who might soon have some airplanes needing homes....
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pinnacle getting united flying was part of my whats going to happen in 2008 at pinnacle predictions. united was in memphis last november touring our facilities. if we get more flying and no new contract i will not be a happy camper. we dont need more flying. what we need is a contract that is less than 8 years old.
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Originally Posted by andy171773
(Post 385233)
this may be the extra flying comair was speaking about.
Do you have more information about it? |
Originally Posted by SuperPilotJesse
(Post 385301)
Uh, I think that would be pretty cool.
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It's income for Delta, ain't it? Crazier (and dumber) things have happened.
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 385304)
i am not sure if this would be the more flying comair is hoping for. i dont know how comairs deal with delta goes, but i seriously doubt delta will let their wholly owned regional airline go do flying for united.
Who knows..we shall see |
I am going to say no. The only thing United would need lift for is to replace Mesa (and that won't happen until Mesa is in Ch. 11 (end of June) or they close (end of the year)).
And please, I hate it when I hear 86 seat rumors, Q-400 rumors, and EMB-190 rumors for companies that have 70 seat scope clauses. Shut up, it will not happen! |
Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 385353)
I am going to say no. The only thing United would need lift for is to replace Mesa (and that won't happen until Mesa is in Ch. 11 (end of June) or they close (end of the year)).
And please, I hate it when I hear 86 seat rumors, Q-400 rumors, and EMB-190 rumors for companies that have 70 seat scope clauses. Shut up, it will not happen! |
Originally Posted by andy171773
(Post 385349)
Our CEO said that DL had OK'd us putting in bids for other carriers in a conference call a few months back. UAL was the one that Comair was "very hopeful and optimistic" about getting.
Who knows..we shall see |
Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 385353)
And please, I hate it when I hear 86 seat rumors, Q-400 rumors, and EMB-190 rumors for companies that have 70 seat scope clauses. Shut up, it will not happen! |
My Dad is better than your dad!
My airline is better than your airline! I am cooler than you! You guys sound like a bunch of high school kids!:rolleyes: |
HAHAHA a sniff of something in the air and everyone puffs their chests
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 385353)
I am going to say no. The only thing United would need lift for is to replace Mesa (and that won't happen until Mesa is in Ch. 11 (end of June) or they close (end of the year)).
And please, I hate it when I hear 86 seat rumors, Q-400 rumors, and EMB-190 rumors for companies that have 70 seat scope clauses. Shut up, it will not happen! Well hate it all you like bit that's what UAL wants; spoke to the ZW DCA Chief Pilot and that's what we've been asked to bid on. 10 Q's in Den and and another 40 aircraft made up of 50's/70's and 90 seat airframes outfitted with 86 seats. |
AWAC has an exemption on the 70-seat scope, which is how they operated 100-seat BAe-146s for so long. What I don't know is if that exemption was valid only for those airframes or if it is for up to 18 airplanes with that many seats.
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Originally Posted by Kenny
(Post 385419)
Well hate it all you like bit that's what UAL wants; spoke to the ZW DCA Chief Pilot and that's what we've been asked to bid on. 10 Q's in Den and and another 40 aircraft made up of 50's/70's and 90 seat airframes outfitted with 86 seats.
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Originally Posted by CRJDriver
(Post 385380)
My Dad is better than your dad!
My airline is better than your airline! I am cooler than you! You guys sound like a bunch of high school kids!:rolleyes: That's because a lot of these guys are only a couple of years removed from it. |
United's scope clause...
1-K-22 “Small Jets" means (a) Jet Aircraft that are certificated in the United States of America for seventy (70) or fewer seats and a maximum permitted gross takeoff weight of less than eighty thousand (80,000) pounds and (b) up to eighteen (18) specific aircraft with certificated seating capacity in excess of seventy (70) seats operated by Feeder Carrier Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp. ("AWAC"). These eighteen aircraft are identified as the "AWAC Quota" Currently, the AWAC Quota is filled by BAe-146 aircraft with the following tail numbers: N463AP, N179US, N181US, N183US, N606AW, N607AW, N608AW, N609AW, N610AW, N611AW, N612AW, N614AW, N615AW, N616AW, N290UE, N291UE, N292UE, and N156TR. AWAC may replace any aircraft within the AWAC Quota with: (i) any other BAe-146 or AVRO 85 aircraft each with no more passenger seats than were carried in the actual operation of the replaced aircraft, or (ii) any other aircraft with a maximum certificated seating capacity in the United States of eighty-five (85) seats and a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of up to ninety thousand (90,000) pounds. |
Also of note is US Airways' scope clause allows for 86 seat regional jets, as evidenced by Mesa and Republic.
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Why would UA want to give out more 50 seat flying. If this is Mesa's work, this would be a good excuse to cut capacity. Does not make sense.
Oh, RAH would get the flying cause United loves the 170s. |
Maybe Trans States will bid on it. It seems to almost be our bread and butter anymore. I know we just picked up more this spring.
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You know what? I really don't think any of us knows what United likes, or who they want to do more flying...Unlike the issue at hand between XJet and CAL (ego-mania), this one really can't be answered by any of us Chicken-Littles unless you happen to be one of the big-wigs calling the shots at United Corp...
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 385465)
You know what? I really don't think any of us knows what United likes, or who they want to do more flying...Unlike the issue at hand between XJet and CAL (ego-mania), this one really can't be answered by any of us Chicken-Littles unless you happen to be one of the big-wigs calling the shots at United Corp...
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I know the new awac ground ops in IAD sucks tail as much as the old conractor, I sure hope things get better....waiting 45 minutes to get pushed is BS. or the 2 hours we waited to get bags loaded the other day...........
Interesting times for sure.... |
Originally Posted by HercDriver130
(Post 385507)
I know the new awac ground ops in IAD sucks tail as much as the old conractor, I sure hope things get better....waiting 45 minutes to get pushed is BS. or the 2 hours we waited to get bags loaded the other day...........
Interesting times for sure.... I was based at IAD for 8 months and it was an eye opener. Getting anyone who even speaks a bit of English is a huge challenge. |
Originally Posted by saab2000
(Post 385541)
Dulles is just a bad place to work. When AWAC flew out of there the ground ops was run by someone else and it was terrible. I can't promise anything, but I think AWAC will try to make it better. It will take time.
I was based at IAD for 8 months and it was an eye opener. Getting anyone who even speaks a bit of English is a huge challenge. |
Originally Posted by dontsurf
(Post 385493)
well i know we're (skywest) not getting it. united thinks 68% of their regional flying is too much for any one carrier to have, and given their past history of getting burned, i guess i can't blame them.
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I hope it gets better as well..... but when the NEW Airwilly ramp coordinator tells the CA he will "get to it when he gets around to it" concerning bags laying in the pouring rain and taking 2 hours to load them..... we will just have to wait and see.
Originally Posted by saab2000
(Post 385541)
Dulles is just a bad place to work. When AWAC flew out of there the ground ops was run by someone else and it was terrible. I can't promise anything, but I think AWAC will try to make it better. It will take time.
I was based at IAD for 8 months and it was an eye opener. Getting anyone who even speaks a bit of English is a huge challenge. |
UAX in IAD............... same people.... new uniforms............for now!
It will take time for AWAC to get some new people trained and on the ramp. Most of AWACs other stations for both United and Northwest lead the other contract companies in ontime departures and low mishandled baggage. |
Originally Posted by saab2000
(Post 385541)
Dulles is just a bad place to work. When AWAC flew out of there the ground ops was run by someone else and it was terrible. I can't promise anything, but I think AWAC will try to make it better. It will take time.
I was based at IAD for 8 months and it was an eye opener. Getting anyone who even speaks a bit of English is a huge challenge. |
Originally Posted by saab2000
(Post 385541)
Getting anyone who even speaks a bit of English is a huge challenge.
"I am from my country" HAHA Later the captain was telling me he felt like it could be a violation of SOP to push at IAD because it was impossible to "establish communication" with the ground crew. Amazing anything worked at all there. ;) |
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