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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 386574)

Jesus, stop taking what you hear from your friends as a "good source". There are no announcements of furloughs, however if Branded keeps getting pulled down, we may find ourselves in a Furlough situation, but AS OF KNOW THE COMPANY has not approached us...........

is it possible I'm the only one that caught this?

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Originally Posted by PeanutButter (Post 386850)

is it possible I'm the only one that caught this?

Congratulations, you spotted a typo on Airline Pilot Forums - in one of Saab's posts, no less. Do you want a trophy?
This isn't exactly Where's Waldo?

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Originally Posted by Shootinstr8 (Post 386843)

I think the number quoted was 2150 for the 205 covered aircraft under the CAL CPA. It also did not include the LAX flying or the charter ops that is going through review under due diligence. I don't think they are trying to throw away profitable venues. It appears they just want to get rid of the unprofitable "at-risk" flying. The number that comes to mind is the 31 branded jets. Also they said that if they were able to find flying for the 31 to 51 jets that was profitable they would pursue that. Just my take after listening to it twice.

That is how I read it too. 2150 pilots for the CAL CPA. Then Skywest is going to review the DAL flying, the charter ops, and the branded flying. I believe that because they are profitable, Skywest will allow the DAL flying and charter ops to continue (add in 300 more pilots). Then they will take a good long look at the branded flying and make a decision. Skywest has publicly stated they would like a branded operation in the past. However, I think that with oil at $130/barrel and only going higher, Skywest will probably (IMHO) shut down the branded flying.

The alternative is to stay independent where I believe that the charter operation will be shut down anyway.

I think many Expressjet pilots saw the 2150 pilots and went and panicked and starting hating on Skywest before reading and truly thinking out Skywest's offer. Do you think they will shut down profitable flying? (the DAL flying and the charter ops) I think Expressjet pilots are going to make out far better if Skywest acquires them than they think. Even if they shut down the branded, I think it is a much better option than staying independent (having the branded shut down soon anyway) and then losing the CAL flying.

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Originally Posted by PeanutButter (Post 386850)

is it possible I'm the only one that caught this?

thanks for the correction:p

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Originally Posted by Paok (Post 386823)

Saab are you in the bottom 350 pilots? Where abouts is the bottom 350 pilots with date of hire?

Im number 2110, so if we go down to a 2100 list, or 2150 with SkyWest I would either get furloughed, or just make the cut and be on the bottom, and I mean the bottom of the list, back to R1 Reserve, I guess better then being unemployed??

The thing is, if SkyWest buys us, its a numbers game, no sympathy, down to 2,100 pilots, easier and cheaper for them, with our management, they would go the "extra-mile", offer more COLAS, No-Fly lines, drop the line divisor down to 75 etc...............

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Originally Posted by NGINEWHOISWHAT (Post 386648)

He's coming again soon ...

He's going to have to take his sandals off just like everybody else.

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Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 386870)

Do you think they will shut down profitable flying? (the DAL flying and the charter ops)

Is the Delta flying making money now? I had thought that it wasn't (yet); from the 1st quarter 10-Q:

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Delta Prorate. We have not yet been profitable in this operation and do not anticipate that we will be profitable in 2008. However, Delta remains a valued partner as we continue to establish our network of corporate customers and as we hope to become profitable in the future.

For this reason, I'd be very concerned about Skywest getting rid of it somehow.

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Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 386870)

I think many Expressjet pilots saw the 2150 pilots and went and panicked and starting hating on Skywest before reading and truly thinking out Skywest's offer. Do you think they will shut down profitable flying? (the DAL flying and the charter ops) I think Expressjet pilots are going to make out far better if Skywest acquires them than they think. Even if they shut down the branded, I think it is a much better option than staying independent (having the branded shut down soon anyway) and then losing the CAL flying.

See the problem we have is those are profitable operations and Skywest would shut it down and take the planes over on their side and use them right away. The biggest issue with a bunch of us is taking away our LAX base just to start flying themselves out of LAX. For a lot of us that live on the west coast, this is not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 386880)

The thing is, if SkyWest buys us, its a numbers game, no sympathy, down to 2,100 pilots, easier and cheaper for them, with our management, they would go the "extra-mile", offer more COLAS, No-Fly lines, drop the line divisor down to 75 etc...............

exactly.

If you've noticed we should lose 400 pilots this year and that is with the slowdown. If hiring picks back up are attrition will go up even more. I think this is the best route to take since the people leave on their own free will.

sorry i posted this twice