Eagle Parking 30-40 Rjs
 

oh this is great news as I leave to start a five days stint of reserve!! I might be out on the street in a few months the way oil is going. Theres always flight instructing. for now anyway....

Well I guess this explains the "bottleneck" in hiring.

In reality though this is a move that had to be made- the 135s probably couldn't break even at $70 a barrel.

But was concerns me is the mention of retiring t-props, which to me at least stand the best chance of being profitable because of the seating capacity and efficiency.

If retiring A300s means a reduction in San Juan flying for Executive (this is the only reason I can think of to reduce t-prop flying) then maybe it would make sense to redistribute ATRs to Dallas for example?

I heard a rumor that if the scope issue can be resolved- obviously a big if- Eagle would like to replace all the 37 and 40 seat jets with new ATRs eventually. ATR had a demonstrator in Dallas not too long ago.

Any pilot at any regional could be out of a job. Best of luck to the eagle folks. It is never a bad time to re-evaluate your resume, make yourself a better candidate (learn another language, atp, atc), and save cash in the form of liquid assets such as a savings account for an emergency fund. Who knows what will happen but it will make you sleep better and make our next interview that much easier. good luck

A 172 costs over $140/hr to rent now....I don't think even flight instructing is going to be very good way to pay the rent. Who can afford these rates?

Rich people?

Yea and Greyhound isn't even hiring...

I think you are forgetting the Saabs. Just because some the A300's are going away does not mean SJU is going to be dismantled. Some of the flying will end up on smaller gauge equipment. Regardless while the number of ATR flights may be reduced, I think Executive is pretty safe.

China Doesnt Care right now. They are still sending boat loads of students over here to get trained. As long as your instructing at the right school, theres no shortage of students.

Is LAX being reduced at all?

Same with Taiwan and Japan. My old flight school can't find enough flight instructors to keep up with the international programs.

Stupid question, but does this mean they are going to just completly stop hiring?? Even though they are short pilots still??:confused:

Parking 30 to 40 airframes at any airline pretty much alleviates any pilot shortage they may have.

So much for my interview on June 4th.

I was shooting for the ATR in San Juan too :(

Same here, I had one the 2nd. "All interviews cancelled indefinitely", kinda sucks. Who else is hiring right now?

Comair is still hiring. 12 per week for the rest of the year. Get your application in ASAP.

YESYESYES!!! removed 250 hours worth of flying from saabs to emj..
two weeks ago they said it was only temporary for the month of june, but then this news comes out! What a bunch of honest managers we have...... :rolleyes:

40 airplanes works out to about how many crews? just currious cuase I only have about 250 from the bottom.

I'm not being rude I'm being 100% serious. You need to get your resume together and get it over to a place that is hiring TODAY. Figure 600+ at that rate.

its based on block hours but a general rule of thumb for most companies is 10 pilots (5fo's/5ca's) an airframe

It depends on Eagle's staffing formula. You can usually guesstimate about 4 to 8 crews per airplane, depending on how lean/fat each airline likes to run their operation.

5 crews a plane seems like a low number. I'm hearing 7-10 crews a plane.

5-6 crews per airframe is "industry standard" for domestic regional flying...getting up near 10 crews means abnormally high airframe utilization or international flying. As an example, I believe the MD11 at UPS was around 13 crews per airframe not too long ago.

RJET had 226 aircraft per their last 10-Q...at 7 crews per airplane that would be 3164 pilots. At 5.5 crews per airplane, that number would be 2486.

How many pilots does RAH have?

At a regional?

For small t-props, it can be 2 crews per plane, plus some reserves.

I would think at most jet regionals it would be typically 4-6 crews per plane.

10 crews/per plane is way too high. Each plane needs two crews per day, so that would mean each pilot only works 20% of the time (maybe a little more after you take out reserves). Say 25%...that's 8 days per month, or 22 days off each month. Not too many folks have a deal like that in regional-land.

well looks like I will be "on the bubble". We are understaffed at Eagle, perhaps that will help my chances as well? who knows! first XJT stops hireing, than RAH with the Denver based being closed! It looks like the only regional that one can work for west of the mississippi (pardon the spelling) is SKW and even thats not garanteed to stay up with United's problems and the Delta/NW merger.

Right around 2150 as of now, so that works out to just under 5 crews/plane...but by the end of the year I believe they are supposed to be at about 210 airframes, so basically they are roughly 5 crews/frame

Union response:

Fellow Eagle pilots,



This morning, AMR announced that it will be parking approximately 40 to 45 mainline jets and 35 to 40 regional jets, in an effort to manage the corporation through the current fuel crisis and softening economy. While the Association is not blind to the price of oil and our current economic environment, we do expect management to make thoughtful and mature decisions as it analyzes our operation for capacity cutbacks.



We have conveyed to management in no uncertain terms, that our ten EMB-145 aircraft currently leased to Trans States Airlines must be returned to revenue service at American Eagle and that the MIA flying recently transferred to Trans States Airlines in violation of our scope constraints must also be returned to American Eagle. We also expect that any reduction of flying at American Eagle will be imposed on our St. Louis competitors at the same or greater level. Management’s shallow excuse to outsource regional feed due to growth constraints at Eagle no longer has any merit.



Over the last decade, Eagle pilots have proven their willingness to help the company’s economic condition by matching or exceeding industry leading fuel conservation, safety, and productivity. While your ALPA leadership stands ready to assist management in navigating this current challenge, further assistance at this point will be contingent on management acting responsibly and aggressively to return our aircraft and flying to the employees who worked so hard to develop and maintain the operation in the first place.



This significant news generates numerous questions and turmoil for all Eagle employees. Eagle management has a responsibility to quickly outline their plan to implement these reductions so that Eagle employees may have some understanding of what their future holds and can plan accordingly.



As more information comes available, we will share it with you.



Fraternally,



Herb Mark

If any Eagle pilot would like info on Pinnacle Airlines, please PM me, good luck to all involved.

Same here. If you have CRJ exp I think you get a bonus. We're still hiring fairly good numbers last time I checked!!!

Might as well put my plug in, as well. Comair is looking to hire 300 pilots in the coming months. If anyone has any questions, you can PM me as well. Best of luck to everyone.....

Foreign students.....China....India....Japan....there is NO shortage of them at the moment.

Are you sure? My friend called me yesterday and stated he was just called for an interview with Eagle. I think he goes in next week.

Weird............

That easily could have changed from yesterday to today. I would advise your friend to call and double check!

How the heck do I check how many people are under me at Eagle???

i m in training now...today was a real downer to say the least...i m the most junior guy on the jet right now so i figure when the cuts come i ll be the first on the street...it was interesting watchin the instructors tryin to keep people focused in class after the letters went out...

I'm in a current ATR class. Management came by and spoke to us. Looks like Executive is pretty safe right now...and the "some" t-prop reductions would come from the saab.

I also heard Eagle was firm on getting new t-props...if only they would pick one already!

Everything is rumor until confirmed. When I sit in the right seat of that new T-prop, then I will believe. Until then its just a rumor and probably not a good one!

Thats what Dorothy left on my voicemail. Interviews cancelled indefinitely we'll get in touch with you to rescehdule when they start back.

Yak, or anyone for that matter,

Would you mind sharing your thought process of why you think the retirement of A300s will (1) not cause SJU to be dismantled and (2) that some of the flying will end up on smaller aircraft.

I am not doubting what you're saying, just would like to pick your brain on your thought process, that's all.

Thanks in advance,

FF

Yak,

A lot of this is smoke and mirrors on our side. For instance the 3 A300s to be retired this year were already scheduled to go. In fact out of 34 A300s only 27 are actually utilized. So after another 5 being disposed of next year there still barely be a loss of net aircraft actually being used.

We are also scheduled to take delivery of 3 737s a month starting in January. Which would mean a net loss of 6 aircraft by the end of 2009.

Any A300 losses will most likely be substituted by the 757 in the caribbean while the new 737s take some of the domestic 757 flying that the S80 can not replace. ie 737-800s can make fly a transcon, obviously the S80 can not.

If some of your aircraft are being leased to other carriers, there is always a possibility of getting them back. Look for other aircraft that may be parked that could be brought back?

I think this was a reaction to the cost of oil, with a built in "time frame" (these cuts are planned for 4-5 months down the road) giving them flexibility if oils comes back down to normal levels to not make all these cuts.

I agree that this news is not good, however with AMR you need to read between the lines.

Good Luck to all of Us,

AAflyer