Oh I'm not blaming them (and my idea of a scab airline comes right from the union folks of the forum). As far as stopping the busting at the ground floor, it would only make sense to me to help newbies out by coming and talking to them. I have heard nothing but people whine about how new hires don't do enough research..... well bring the research to them because MY specific alma mater does not differentiate between airlines created to whipsaw us and legit unionized ones.

can you give specifics when you say scab airline?

unionized airlines have been whipsawing each other for awhile now too. I agree some info would be good but they're the smallest cog in this problem and we don't hold our own responsible for what we've done to this industry.

Well not my words but whatever that airline is that TSA created... gojets??? For example.

I think it's important because there are too many new hires being called scabs because they join an airline which isn't unionized or had a history of prior scabs.... not very fair to them (but they should have done their research....?!? No-the research should come to them if people feel its important).

If the thread starter is so against the whining then why did he start a thread entirely devoted to whining... about whining? It seems someone starts a thread like this every few months... It's comical. If you want to flame don't be passive-aggressive about it by starting a thread like this.

I'm not impressed.

joining a non union carrier isn't being a scab. if people are saying that then they are just idiots and don't get it.

gojets to my knowledge has the teamsters but was developed in a scab like way even though they don't technically fit the scab definition.

I agree getting that out would help some. it could be real easy to make a website stating which airlines could be shady like freedom and gojets and which ones are good. the problem is that alpa for example wouldn't have the guts to do it. an overhaul would be needed.

Because he's whining about whining ?

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This is just a question because Im not really sure about this... didnt TSA have pilots on furlough when they created GoJets? If they did and hired off the street for GoJets, then it was and still is somewhat of a scab airline. Whether or not they have a union now doesnt change the fact that they MAY have hired people while TSA had pilots on the street.

But you agree that Skywest is better than Mesaba, right........?

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It doesn't matter if you hired people while other airlines had guys on furlough. A scab is someone who crossed a picket line. Its that simple. If there is no strike, there can be no scabs. Using the word with any other definition cheapens its meaning. There is a reason old school mainline guys are so aggressive with their scab lists.

Ya I agree, the word scab has been thrown around incorrectly. I guess lack of a better word has driven people to call GoJeters scabs. They didnt cross a line, but they did go to Gojets when TSA was using Gojets as a union buster. Whatever you want to call it Gojets and Freedom is $%^& factory. Mainly GoJets.