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Pinnacle Contract Terminated by Delta in ATL
Pinnacle Airlines Calls Delta Attempt to Terminate Contract 'Wrongful'
Tuesday June 10, 8:13 am ET Regional Carrier 'Surprised, Disappointed' 'Business as Usual' for Passengers, No Immediate Effect on Routes, Schedules MEMPHIS, TN--(MARKET WIRE)--Jun 10, 2008 -- Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (NasdaqGS:PNCL - News) reported today that its Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. subsidiary has been notified by Delta Air Lines of Delta's intent to terminate Pinnacle's contract as a Delta Connection carrier, effective July 31. Pinnacle believes that this attempted termination is wrongful. Delta contends that Pinnacle did not meet minimum arrival-time performance requirements for a period since flights began late last year. However, many factors affecting on-time performance are beyond Pinnacle's control, said Phil Trenary, Pinnacle Airlines Corp.'s president and chief executive officer. The operational schedule created by Delta is a key factor affecting on-time performance, he said. Under the capacity purchase agreement, Delta is required to collaborate with Pinnacle to create a mutually acceptable operating schedule. Delta has created Pinnacle's operational schedule since the beginning of operations in December 2007. "We are extremely surprised and disappointed that Delta is attempting to take this drastic and improper action," said Trenary. "From the very beginning of our Delta Connection operations, we expressed our concern that the flight schedules Delta created were unrealistic. Our position was affirmed when recent schedule changes by Delta allowed immediate improvement in our on-time performance, well above the agreed minimum standard and above most other Delta Connection carriers." Pinnacle entered into a new capacity purchase agreement with Delta in April 2007 to operate 16 CRJ-900 aircraft as a Delta Connection carrier and began operations under the agreement in December. The CRJ-900 has operating costs that are the lowest among comparably sized regional jets, providing for an economic, efficient aircraft in the Delta network. Pinnacle has currently taken delivery of nine of the 16 CRJ-900 aircraft on order. "We believe that the attempt by Delta to terminate this contract is wrongful, and we intend to pursue appropriate remedies," Trenary said. Trenary emphasized that the issue between Pinnacle and Delta will have no immediate effect on schedules, routes or staffing. "At this time, it remains business as usual for our passengers and our People," he said. "We look forward to building on our hard-earned reputation for operating a safe, reliable and cost-effective airline." About Pinnacle Airlines Corp. Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (NasdaqGS:PNCL - News), an airline holding company, is the parent company of Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and Colgan Air Inc. Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. operates a fleet of 138 regional jets in the United States and Canada as Northwest Airlink and Delta Connection. Colgan Air Inc. operates a fleet of 57 regional turboprops as Continental Connection, United Express and US Airways Express. Pinnacle Airlines Corp. operating units fly over 1,000 daily flights and transport more than 10 million passengers a year to 140 cities and towns in North America. Visit www.pncl.com for more information. |
Attempting to terminate...this is going to go like the Mesa thing, a long court battle. Sound slike the exact same press release used for Mesa.
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Delta tried to pull this on Freedom Air and got spanked, now they want to do the same thing on Pinnacle? What the F?
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i gotta say i didn't see this coming. however i don't think we will lose the contract but hopefully it scares management enough to get a contract so we can actually staff the airline.
"From the very beginning of our Delta Connection operations, we expressed our concern that the flight schedules Delta created were unrealistic. Our position was affirmed when recent schedule changes by Delta allowed immediate improvement in our on-time performance, well above the agreed minimum standard and above most other Delta Connection carriers." this is why i find that we wont. as soon as we got a schule we could work we had excellent performance. and also like i said earlier just a few days ago there was a HUGE increase in atlanta vacancies. i am sure the company has known that delta was going to do this for a bit and there is probably a deal already worked out. but who knows. we will have to see i guess. |
Wow, didn't really see this coming either. Who out there is still hiring again? I don't really wanna leave ATL.
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Originally Posted by av8sean
(Post 401235)
Delta tried to pull this on Freedom Air and got spanked, now they want to do the same thing on Pinnacle? What the F?
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Somehow I see these 900's ending up in DTW or MSP after the dust settles....
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I wouldn't be surprised to see some more contract terminations in the future. Just because you have a long-term contract, doesn't mean you are safe or have complete stability. If you don't meet the terms of the contract, it can be broken.
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Originally Posted by av8sean
(Post 401235)
Delta tried to pull this on Freedom Air and got spanked, now they want to do the same thing on Pinnacle? What the F?
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Originally Posted by av8sean
(Post 401245)
Somehow I see these 900's ending up in DTW or MSP after the dust settles....
smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. |
Mesa and Pinnacle WERE meeting the terms of their contracts... You can't blame Mesa or Pinnacle for cancellations when you pro-actively cancel their flights in order to get mainline out. In the case with Pinnacle, they were also making them fly to St. Croix which required deadheading a double crew to fly the plane back, as well as the fact that Pinnacle planes aren't overwater certified - the indirect routings often caused fuel diversions.
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Guys why I feel sorry for the pilots at Pinnacle, a good buddy of mine is in training right now and hopefully this won't mean he just quit his job for nothing, but you all just got done bashing me the other day at questioning why you were praising your on-time %. Stop acting like no-one is immune with a 10-year contract, we are ALL GOING TO FEEL THE PAIN this year.
And good luck though, hopefully no one gets the F letter because of this crap. I'm just afraid my buddy will have his class canceled and they'll send him home before he gets on the line. Delta had gotten on our case in LAX a couple months back and we have since improved our on-time performance there, but I wouldn't be too surprised if something like this comes our way. |
Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 401250)
if we did lose the contract i wouldn't doubt that either. we own the planes. we have 9 right now and 8 more on the way by the end of the year. we will find a way to put them on the nwa side still in delta colors, then when the merger goes through we will still be flying 900's for delta. i think the entire thing is a sham.
smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. |
Originally Posted by CaribPilot
(Post 401279)
Um you might wanna double check to see if you guys really own those airplanes.:confused: Im not sure but Delta might hold the lease on those things.
Aircraft Financing and Capital Expenditures The total purchase commitment for the 15 Q400 and 16 CRJ-900 aircraft that the Company has on order is approximately $660 million. The Company expects that it will purchase all 31 aircraft using a combination of internal capital resources and debt financing. The Company has obtained financing commitments from a third party and from the aircraft manufacturer. Based upon these commitments, the Company currently anticipates it can finance approximately 85% of the net purchase price of each aircraft at interest rates between 7.0% and 8.5% and for terms ranging from 12 to 15 years. The Company is also pursuing other third party financing options, including operating leases, and may use such additional financing options to the extent that they provide better economics |
Originally Posted by av8sean
(Post 401245)
Somehow I see these 900's ending up in DTW or MSP after the dust settles....
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sorry........shouldve checked pg 2. my bad......................... proceed.
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I thought i read somewhere that delta owned the -900s too but i guess i misread. Does delta own freedom -900s?
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It seems that Delta just straight up is trying to reduce the amount of their regional partners. I don't think it's a matter of them playing "scare tactics" or using "smoke and mirrors". Delta just plain doesn't want "elevendy-billion" regionals flying for it anymore.
I hate to say it, cause i like pinnacle, but I think (just like freedom) that Delta will probably just buy the rest of the contract out (or pay an early termination if there are terms for it). Even though they don't own the 90's, they still have some on order, and as part of some of the domestic roll backs could downsize these routes to 70 seaters for the time being, which ASA and Comair have a ton of already in/out of ATL frequently. Good luck guys and gals. |
Originally Posted by cbram
(Post 401290)
doesnt delta own the 900's?
Originally Posted by ACEAV8R
(Post 401292)
I thought i read somewhere that delta owned the -900s too but i guess i misread. Does delta own freedom -900s?
no delta doesn't own the 900's. delta went to bombardier and said "hold x amount of 900's for us" so thats what they did. then when we signed the agreement delta said ok, some of those planes you were holding for us can be sold to pinnacle. so then we went and bought the ones delta was holding for us. they never owned them, just wanted to have some ready for delivery to their regionals. |
Originally Posted by ACEAV8R
(Post 401292)
I thought i read somewhere that delta owned the -900s too but i guess i misread. Does delta own freedom -900s?
I'm not sure about skywests though.. I think SKW owns their own, but I may be mistaken...anyone know? |
Originally Posted by av8sean
(Post 401251)
Mesa and Pinnacle WERE meeting the terms of their contracts... You can't blame Mesa or Pinnacle for cancellations when you pro-actively cancel their flights in order to get mainline out. In the case with Pinnacle, they were also making them fly to St. Croix which required deadheading a double crew to fly the plane back, as well as the fact that Pinnacle planes aren't overwater certified - the indirect routings often caused fuel diversions.
I hope you all do OK, but sounds like management signing off on a poor contract and DAL knows exactly what they want. Pilots scrogged by bad management. |
Originally Posted by andy171773
(Post 401294)
It seems that Delta just straight up is trying to reduce the amount of their regional partners. I don't think it's a matter of them playing "scare tactics" or using "smoke and mirrors". Delta just plain doesn't want "elevendy-billion" regionals flying for it anymore.
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I hate to see any pilot lose their job. Best of luck to everyone at Pinnacle.
That being said, I truly do not believe that Delta would be doing this if they did not feel that they would be successful in the process. Again, good luck to everyone at Pinnacle. I personally know lots of pilots over there! Airsupport -- you should kick it down a notch just a bit. Noone is pointing fingers at you or trying to rub anything in your face. Good luck, guy. Nevermind, I see you edited your original post. |
Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot
(Post 401302)
Airsupport -- you should kick it down a notch just a bit. Noone is pointing fingers at you or trying to rub anything in your face. Good luck, guy.
and i dont think anyone is going to lose their job over this. we only have 72 pilots in atl. |
Isn't it funny that our company...as we speak...are in contract talks...I smell a TA coming...hope I didn't jinx anything!!!
You heard it first here folks!!! |
Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 401301)
the reason i say smoke and mirrors is because of this. we have 16 crj 900's we have bought painted in delta colors on their way. i am sure if we went to nwa with our own planes they could find some use for them since it is legal under the contract we have with nwa. then at the end of the year we when dal/nwa merge we will once again be flying for delta, and will still have our planes in dal colors. so they terminate the contract we have with them (which i don't think will happen) but in the end we will still be flying for them, just maybe not out of ATL.
What we can all take away from this is that NO regional carrier is safe right now. Everyone, even the financial sector/investors, thought Pinnacles deal was rock solid and DL would never touch it. Delta knows what they're trying to do(at least they should...) and I cannot see them making these decisions (which could end up financially backfiring BIG TIME) unless they're extremely confident in an outcome in their favor. |
I can't believe that everyone says they didn't see this coming.
IT ROLLS DOWN HILL!!! This is just the start. The majors and legacy carriers have been hammered by fuel and they honsetly believe that they can't raise prices anymore with out parking more aircraft and reducing thier OWN companies even further. |
Originally Posted by andy171773
(Post 401306)
What we can all take away from this is that NO regional carrier is safe right now. Everyone, even the financial sector/investors, thought Pinnacles deal was rock solid and DL would never touch it. Delta knows what they're trying to do(at least they should...) and I cannot see them making these decisions (which could end up financially backfiring BIG TIME) unless they're extremely confident in an outcome in their favor.
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Originally Posted by Past V1
(Post 401305)
Isn't it funny that our company...as we speak...are in contract talks...I smell a TA coming...hope I didn't jinx anything!!!
You heard it first here folks!!! |
I am hearing this happened in part because the New DAL (NWA/DAL) will have dc9's flying out of atl to replace a bunch of regional jets with the upcoming capacity reductions. Good luck guys we all will need it with the upcoming changes to our industry.
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Originally Posted by andy171773
(Post 401306)
I don't know, I hope that works out. But DL/NW management are already in bed together. If DL wants Pinnacle out, I highly doubt it would then let it's future merger partner to go and make their own deal (unless it's extremely favorable to the airline).
What we can all take away from this is that NO regional carrier is safe right now. Everyone, even the financial sector/investors, thought Pinnacles deal was rock solid and DL would never touch it. Delta knows what they're trying to do(at least they should...) and I cannot see them making these decisions (which could end up financially backfiring BIG TIME) unless they're extremely confident in an outcome in their favor. |
Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 401288)
ha. you tell me to double check.. maybe you should have double checked before saying delta holds the lean on the planes...
Aircraft Financing and Capital Expenditures The total purchase commitment for the 15 Q400 and 16 CRJ-900 aircraft that the Company has on order is approximately $660 million. The Company expects that it will purchase all 31 aircraft using a combination of internal capital resources and debt financing. The Company has obtained financing commitments from a third party and from the aircraft manufacturer. Based upon these commitments, the Company currently anticipates it can finance approximately 85% of the net purchase price of each aircraft at interest rates between 7.0% and 8.5% and for terms ranging from 12 to 15 years. The Company is also pursuing other third party financing options, including operating leases, and may use such additional financing options to the extent that they provide better economics To be totally honest I just didnt care enough to research. |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 401315)
I am hearing this happened in part because the New DAL (NWA/DAL) will have dc9's flying out of atl to replace a bunch of regional jets with the upcoming capacity reductions. Good luck guys we all will need it with the upcoming changes to our industry.
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Originally Posted by Past V1
(Post 401317)
Look at this from NW/DL perspective....I would have to wonder....is DL contract with PNCL cheaper or is NW with PNCL cheaper....the smart thing for DL/NWA is to cancel the most expensive one right?!?! Ok say PNCL rolls those 900's into NW operations then they are under a cheaper and more efficent contract for both DL/NWA....so this could all mean is that NWA/DL are shuffling this around to make things more streamline....per say
lets just all enjoy the pizza party they are having tomorrow for our STELLAR performance!! LOL |
Originally Posted by tpersuit
(Post 401264)
Stop acting like no-one is immune with a 10-year contract, we are ALL GOING TO FEEL THE PAIN this year.
Tper which way do you really feel? you posted this just yesterday... "I feel pretty good with 2,000 pilot jobs guaranteed for the next 7 years here." You waffle more than the Clintons! :) |
dont have time to read all of the posts, so it might have been said. But if that is true (or if it happens) it explains why comair is madly hiring.
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Originally Posted by av8sean
(Post 401245)
Somehow I see these 900's ending up in DTW or MSP after the dust settles....
Nope Trenary is working on a press release saying they are going to Colgan :rolleyes: Then he is gonna tell the pilots "whoever wants to fly these for $50/hour can have them......" |
Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 401327)
Tper which way do you really feel? you posted this just yesterday...
"I feel pretty good with 2,000 pilot jobs guaranteed for the next 7 years here." You waffle more than the Clintons! :) |
Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 401322)
ha... interesting thought... sounds like more smoke and mirrors to me!
lets just all enjoy the pizza party they are having tomorrow for our STELLAR performance!! LOL |
Originally Posted by av8sean
(Post 401235)
Delta tried to pull this on Freedom Air and got spanked, now they want to do the same thing on Pinnacle? What the F?
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