Pinnacle has a TA
 

I have a VERY good source saying Pinnacle has reached a TA.

Anyone heard the same or have any details?

i have a pretty good source the end of the world is coming any day now.

I think the latter is probably more likely ;)

That was supposed to happen yesterday according to a cult in Abilene.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5058926&page=1

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

I hope you guys got an awesome TA that includes an even better scope clause. It's long deserved. Good luck guys!

I really hope you guys get what you deserve!!!

I hope it's not the source that said we were getting -900's in 2001, then 2003, then 2004, then 2005. etc :)

One thing i learned quick in this industry is that rumors are like A**holes, everybody has one.
Put it this way, the only time you will ever know something in this industry is when it has already happened.
I dont even waste my time with them except for entertainment purposes!:D

However i do wish that this one would be true. I feel for my friends and all you guys and gals over at pinnacle.

I heard from a few FO's a week ago that we will get a contract soon. I really hope it's true, but I will not get my hopes up.

If its not done already, its pretty darn close...

pinnaclefo and i have been talking about this the last couple of days. we decided not to post it since we didn't want to get our hopes up again, only to have them dashed. but yes we have heard that a ta has been reached hence the abnormal quietness after the negotiation sessions. usually the union comes right back and says the company didn't have anything and no progress was made. the only person i have heard this from was a couple of the lifers in ops talking about it. but none of them were union guys so who knows. it sure would be nice.

here is my negative point on this. we get a contract then the company declares bankruptcy 2 months from now and beats us down anyway... ok, time for positive thinking again.

No TA yet, but both parties are much closer and meeting next week. Good new indeed!

if this is true then it is good news. meeting 2 weeks in a row! but once again i will not get my hopes up.

Fingers crossed...

If there was a ta, do you think it would break on APC first? We may be close (still not getting my hopes up), but I just would hate to see many pilots counting bonus checks over a post here. When we have a TA, we will hear from the union. Even then, it will be a long process and I for one will not vote yes just because of the current climate...airline climates change faster than the seasons...don't like what's going on now? Give it a few months. We must be above industry average with some form of full retro (Bonuses) or the rumored TA will be shot down anyway. I REALLY REALLY hope the TA is coming, but not allowing too much excitement just yet. If anything, it'd be fun to see the numbers after 3 years of negot's.

I suspect that this rumor originated by the company basically saying that they came up with an "un-refusable" offer to the union. Off course, they also said "given the oil prices and the condition of the industry....." so there you go......bend over once again. Sorry to sound so negative, but from a very respected source (hahahah everybody has one, don't we?haha) the union is getting more flexible too, given the way things are going right now. I asked a few key questions about some details, and apparently it's a much better contract but is not even going to match the ASA's new contract (one of the most recent regional's contract).
In other words I'm guesstimating that we'll see some improvements but overall, it's more of a victory for management (if you consider every aspect of this battle) than a victory for the union. Remember, ALPA is never going to say "we settle for less" instead they'll say "we did what we could".........
I stilll support ALPA, just not a big fan........
Only time will tell, but don't get your hopes up

I thought if ya get a TA it's announced immediately via e-mail from ALPA

I can't wait for you guys to get one. Hopefully you can get one list for you and the Colgan guys.

Wow, that almost sounded positive.:eek:

latest from our mec:

there will be a full memo sent out later today. we finished last week with management considering one of our proposals. We meet again on thursday.


sounds like things might actually be happening. from my understanding we ta'd several other sections in this last session. i am not sure which ones were ta'd and which ones are left. the good news is that this is the first time since mediated discussions that we have met 2 weeks in a row and where management actually is considering OUR proposal. but like most of you this is one thing i wont get my hopes up about. its been a long 3 years, i can wait a few more for a good one.

This is the first time I have ever heard management is considering our proposal. It's good to know we are making good progress. Maybe there will be more good news Thursday.

I heard today from a person involved that the negotiations went on all week. Supposed to end on Wed but went into the night on Friday. That actually sounds like good news. If it is true that they are meeting again next week, they must be getting somewhere with it. Maybe some good news will come out of this.

Drinks are on me if it comes true and if it's decent. Maybe we can all go running around naked in the woods by Nonconnah creek in celebration. J/K

Hey folks,

We do not have a TA yet. The official word is that great progress was made in this past weeks mediating negotiations and they are meeting again on Thursday to hopefully knock this thing out. We'll see.

Best of luck, fingers are crossed for you..

THURSDAY? What's wrong with Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday???

every single time we have been in this situation before the company has come back changing their mind, Its hard to think any differently at this point which is why this week, I m not going to pay attention to it and if i hear everyone else getting excited then i will allow myself too.

exactly. just got the email saying things went really good and that the union gave the company a "deal closer" and the company seemed ok with it and wanted to meet again this thursday and friday.

like pinnaclefo(ca) said this is one thing i wont get my hopes up for. ever since i have been here everytime we got close to signing a deal the company would change their mind and try and reopen old things that have been ta'd and change them around again. i will wait till after friday night to hear from my mec. then and only then will i believe that we have finnaly got a ta.

Good luck 9E

good luck to the pinnacle crews.

We're lucky they're meeting even that soon. Typically it's once every other month or even longer. Thursday is, however, probably the soonest they could reconvene. When both parties request a meeting the mediator decides when and where. I feel for anyone that has to go through this total waste of time Railway Labor Act nonsense in a republican administration. It just gets dragged out until you're either dead or moved on.

I am on my way out at Pinnacle, hopefully by August or September. If by some miracle we do get presented with a TA that is acceptable and it gets voted in while I am still on property but quit the following week, they will still legally owe me a retro check will they not? I fully realize they would go out of their way to screw me out of retro pay, but my question concerns the legality of not giving me retro pay if it has not been distibuted before I leave. Just curious if anyone has had to deal with this before. I highly doubt that we can sign an agreement before September, but just thinking ahead.

good question. remember it wont be a retro check but a signing bonus. i believe you have to be on property when the new contract takes effect for you to be eligable for the bonus. grey area there so not sure. and i don't think management has anything to do with the pay out. if it is done like asa's was done the company will give the mec the money and the mec will come up with a formula for pay out.

I would think so - you would have legally been working under the new contract and would be due retro-pay...doesn't mean they'll actually pay it willingly. Just be ready to go after them if they try and pull a bogart on you. Also, if you can at all wait - I'd keep on with Pinnacle until a TA is signed - that'll be one heck of a check to put in the bank.

Last I heard from the union, it will definitely be a signing bonus, probably between $5-20k depending on years of service. I doubt you'll be getting any money if you leave prior to signing the contract.

It just depends what's negotiated and what the union decides to do.

I know I will get nothing if I leave before a new contract is signed, the question is if we ratify a new contract while I am still on property do I still get a signing bonus if I leave shortly after contract ratification?

Just leave after the check hits your account... I would say that that is the safest way to keep the bonus.

I was just on airlinkpilots and saw the memo, and it looks very good so far. It's hard not to get my hopes up this time.

yeah i guess a lot of people didn't get the email. hopefully we will have good news by the weekend.

Today was the day for negotiations to recommence... any updates?