RAH to FURLOUGH?
 

Saw the video on the company website, and was just curious if anyone that currently work at RAH is aware of this, and if so is this true?
If we do furlough, how many pilots would it be?
Any insight on this matter, please do not hesitate to share with us, your fellow wingman...

Every airline is in trouble. However you should read between the lines. WH is trying to scare our Jr guys. We are in negotiations after all.

I'm confused do you work at RAH? Your position says BE1900D along with the pic in your avatar but you say "If we do furlough". Just curious.

Will RAH furlough. Who knows. Regardless of what the company says we aren't "FAT" on pilots. They've offered a few COLAs but even then I'm still sitting on a 90hr line I can't get rid of. I think they might regret having offered them.

The company's position is they have the CRJ's going away that they'll have to compensate for. We also have the 135s for DAL that are suppose to go away yet DAL is still using them. When the 135s are sent packing they'll be replaced with 170/175s.

Personally I feel that WH's podcast is mostly a scare tactic for contract negotiations. Nothing works better than spreading some FUD around. Things will most likely take a few steps before furloughs are handed out. COLAs will be offered company wide etc. We haven't seen that. If they do furlough there's no telling how many. Rumors are there will be training classes in August but those are nothing more than rumors.

If I were on the bottom I'd be worried and actively searching for other gigs just as a safety precaution. If we do furlough I'd look for it to be more towards the end of the year as more CRJs come offline. IMHO I don't expect us to however.

RAH ? Republic?

the message from witherlow was that at the end of this time next year we will have 15 or so fewer airplanes than needed. that pretty much comes from the whole F9 contract. the biggest issue is do they retrain and properly follow the contract and retrain the crj guys to 145's and 170's or do they just fire out of seniority like they did with the saabs. if i was a guy in the bottom 150 or so i would be worried specially if i was on the bottom of the crjs. but as far as anything happening anytime soon i think if we dont lose any more flying they wont be letting anyone go.

Republic Airways Holdings = Republic Airlines + Shuttle America + Chatauqua (i never can spell that friggin name right)

Simple: Chautauqua
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According to one of the certificate's chief pilots, RAH has sold 2 of the F9 170s and plans to keep the remaining 15...take that for what it is worth.

[quote=ToiletDuck;411013]I'm confused do you work at RAH? Your position says BE1900D along with the pic in your avatar but you say "If we do furlough". Just curious."


I do work at RAH, I'm on the S5 CERT..
I'm an ex Skyway guy...I was just curious to see what is going on here at the company and wondering if I should be looking at other employers just in case we do furlough...By the way I'm on the bottom of the seniority list with only about 100 below me..

Thanks for all the info guys...

hey 1215 police, are you CBP at all??

[quote=B1900YX;411171]In that case, I highly recommed you check out republicpilots.org and local747.org for your intel. You will get a much more detailed and frank answer in those places than on an open forum.

B1900,
we all saw the video.. what did you expect to see here versus RP.org? Do you think we know more than you do? What are you 16? :)

easy now; If I were in his position being maybe new to the company and in a low seniority number I might feel the same way.
Course that Doesnt mean I'd make a post in a public forum saying the "F" word when it just isn't happening yet...

B1900 if you have 100 below you should be fine. Crew Planning came to STL today where questions were asked and very frank answers were given. You still might want to look around for other job opportunities. Right now our world, aviation, is balancing on the tip of a sword and tomorrows oil swing could make or break.

B1900,

Air things like this on RPpilots.org. There are at least 5 threads that discuss this, or end up resulting in this discussion.

My take: It's contract time. WH is trying to scare the newbies. We might not hire for a while but with the aircraft we're getting on S5 there shouldn't be an loss of jobs IF they properly staff each base. Right now we're very thin on the S5 side. I'm fairly low on the seniority here but if they were to carry out the "f" word they would really be shooting themselves in the foot.

3 certs with FOs not being allowed to switch between will cause hell on earth if thy try to F. Would cost them an arm and a leg too though all they need to do is FIRE out of seniority to the guys that aren't off probation. Which they can do. Glad I'm off the chopping block. Here's to hoping to upgrade within a year!

None of the F9 airplanes have been sold, two have transitioned over there to cover for S5 planes going into C-Check, no growth. (They were former S5 airplanes)

I would imagine we will see more displacements from RW to S5 before we see furloughs.

However I have no doubt we will furlough if things continue to get worse. This goes for any airline.

I don't think WH was trying to put a shot across the bow for negotiations. No amount of "giveback" from the pilot group in terms of a contract would correct the problem of an overstaffed airline.

Now if we were understaffed on ALL certificates and that was posted, then I might agree.

i am in the loelw
1400s on the rah list and I am reenrolling in classes this fall to get another bachelor, Im not giving up just yet but just getting prepared. In 80 numbers frombthe most jr captain but I dont expect to upgrade for at least another two years! Mark my words we will furlogh 100 to 200 by the end of summer. And the really sad thing is they will do it illegally out of seniority just like the saab guys in 2001. Good luck

SK

Ok ok ok, someone please explain this to me. How can they get away with furloughing out of seniority? I know they tried to upgrade out of sequence, but you guys won in the end.

So pardon my ignorance, but wouldn't the teamsters have a pretty good leg to stand on for legal action if they try to get away with it????

Someone please educate me on this, cause it just doesn't seem possible to me!

cause they know by the time the "brotherhood" gets anything done they will be recalling..... maybe....

Please tell me you're kidding! I thought you guys had a great relationship with the reverend and his team?

That's unethical in so many levels, I don't even know where to begin. Best of luck to you guys, I hope they do the right thing.

Because for the first year you are on probation and not protected.

It sucks, but you can be terminated at any time, for any reason.

They did this after 9/11 when they needed to park the Saabs. There were 125 pilots that were terminated. Many, if not all, were senior to the jet guys.

The union fought it and lost.

I understand the concept of being a first year f/o on probation as most of us were there at one point in our careers, but using that as a cost cutting measure....and out of seniority.....???

That's not very christian! I'm sorry but I'm in shock that a management team would do something so immoral.

The irony is that I always thought it was of great advantage to your company and you guys to have multiple certificates under the same umbrella.........so much for that.

Best of luck all the same to you guys, I hope you guys keep everyone.

BB can spew all the moral christian BS he wants. The fact remains that their actions are what counts.

Check out our "Guiding Principals" Republic Airways

My favorite is the first one. :rolleyes:

sorry for all the grammatical errors! An iPhone and my fat fingers do not work well together

I hate the F&$%ing partiots trash team as well!!!!!!!

First year you pay dues but aren't protected since you are on probation. The company can "no longer require your employment" for any reason they see fit. With the massive hiring boom that has taken place there's no reason they'll ever have to furlough. They can just FIRE the FOs on the certificates they need since there are plenty moved around.

Hey guys I'm all about optimism but yall are forgetting one thing. If a codeshare goes into BK then all bets are off just like with Frontier. If AMR and United go BK, though I don't see how United could really survive it, they can simply cancel all contracts. CAL's recent deal with XJT could be incentive for them to declare BK and drop CHQ. I know we'd all like to think we're safe but lets not kid ourselves. It's time to just kick back and watch the show.

IIRC, the Saab guys got their jobs back eventually. Wasn't there for it, so not really 100% sure though.

As far as that sort of treament, welcome to RAH. Family values so long as they don't affect the bottom line.