Airline stocks
#11
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From: dogstyle
Uhhh........WHAT? Long term as in hopefully your great grandkids will possible benefit.
#12
As of 11am, everyone is up 5-10% except XJT which is down 10%...
Airlines arent good long term investments. If you bought AMR 4 yrs ago then you would have lost $1.30/share compared to todays price.
#14
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
i know what you are saying.
pinnacle stock: in one year has gone from 21.00 to 3.32
skywest stock: in one year has gone from 29.00 to 12.68
northwest stock: in one year has gone from 24.00 to 5.35
delta stock: in one year has gone from 21.00 to 4.80
i know several guys here at pinnacle who think now is the time to buy some pinnacle stock. if we do get a contract and delta says we can keep flying with them that should give the stock a boost. even if it just went up to 10 dollars you just tripled your earnings. i knew several people that bought a lot of our stock after nwa filed for bk and bought our shares at a couple dollars a piece. then when we signed the new contract with nwa it went from 3 dollars to 21 over night.
pinnacle stock: in one year has gone from 21.00 to 3.32
skywest stock: in one year has gone from 29.00 to 12.68
northwest stock: in one year has gone from 24.00 to 5.35
delta stock: in one year has gone from 21.00 to 4.80
i know several guys here at pinnacle who think now is the time to buy some pinnacle stock. if we do get a contract and delta says we can keep flying with them that should give the stock a boost. even if it just went up to 10 dollars you just tripled your earnings. i knew several people that bought a lot of our stock after nwa filed for bk and bought our shares at a couple dollars a piece. then when we signed the new contract with nwa it went from 3 dollars to 21 over night.
There is nothing about their past performance that would make one believe thay are a good long-term investment, and there is certainly no reason to be optimistic looking forward.
The industry is just too fragile, and subject to too many outside forces. It is not reliably predictable, and it can change dramatically overnight...or in an hour as happened seven years ago.
If you want to use it is a short-term speculative vehicle, sure why not...any equity wich goes up and down can be used for that. Pretty much like betting on the NBA playoffs. Plus since you have some industry knowledge and connections, you MIGHT be able to see something coming before the rest of the speculators.
But if you must dabble in airline equities, PLEASE do not bet the farm on your own company...
1) You are emotionally biased...ie you will probably make stupidly optimistic decisions.
2) When your company takes a big hit, you will be downgraded/furloughed AND lose your savings.
Again speculate if you can afford to, but no long-term nest-egg investments.
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From: CRJ
ANY airline stock is a crapshoot. My financial guy has had standing orders (for years) to not buy airline stocks.
There is nothing about their past performance that would make one believe thay are a good long-term investment, and there is certainly no reason to be optimistic looking forward.
The industry is just too fragile, and subject to too many outside forces. It is not reliably predictable, and it can change dramatically overnight...or in an hour as happened seven years ago.
If you want to use it is a short-term speculative vehicle, sure why not...any equity wich goes up and down can be used for that. Pretty much like betting on the NBA playoffs. Plus since you have some industry knowledge and connections, you MIGHT be able to see something coming before the rest of the speculators.
There is nothing about their past performance that would make one believe thay are a good long-term investment, and there is certainly no reason to be optimistic looking forward.
The industry is just too fragile, and subject to too many outside forces. It is not reliably predictable, and it can change dramatically overnight...or in an hour as happened seven years ago.
If you want to use it is a short-term speculative vehicle, sure why not...any equity wich goes up and down can be used for that. Pretty much like betting on the NBA playoffs. Plus since you have some industry knowledge and connections, you MIGHT be able to see something coming before the rest of the speculators.
#16
I have been playing with DAL, last buy was just above $5, I normally sell between 10%-20% gain. I then wait for the stock to decline from my sell point by at least 10% and then depending on oil I buy back in. As with anything there is a risk but so far it is paying out...... I would not consider any airline stock for a long term objective, heck I hardly view any stock right now as long term!
#17
ANY airline stock is a crapshoot. My financial guy has had standing orders (for years) to not buy airline stocks.
There is nothing about their past performance that would make one believe thay are a good long-term investment, and there is certainly no reason to be optimistic looking forward.
The industry is just too fragile, and subject to too many outside forces. It is not reliably predictable, and it can change dramatically overnight...or in an hour as happened seven years ago.
If you want to use it is a short-term speculative vehicle, sure why not...any equity wich goes up and down can be used for that. Pretty much like betting on the NBA playoffs. Plus since you have some industry knowledge and connections, you MIGHT be able to see something coming before the rest of the speculators.
But if you must dabble in airline equities, PLEASE do not bet the farm on your own company...
1) You are emotionally biased...ie you will probably make stupidly optimistic decisions.
2) When your company takes a big hit, you will be downgraded/furloughed AND lose your savings.
Again speculate if you can afford to, but no long-term nest-egg investments.
There is nothing about their past performance that would make one believe thay are a good long-term investment, and there is certainly no reason to be optimistic looking forward.
The industry is just too fragile, and subject to too many outside forces. It is not reliably predictable, and it can change dramatically overnight...or in an hour as happened seven years ago.
If you want to use it is a short-term speculative vehicle, sure why not...any equity wich goes up and down can be used for that. Pretty much like betting on the NBA playoffs. Plus since you have some industry knowledge and connections, you MIGHT be able to see something coming before the rest of the speculators.
But if you must dabble in airline equities, PLEASE do not bet the farm on your own company...
1) You are emotionally biased...ie you will probably make stupidly optimistic decisions.
2) When your company takes a big hit, you will be downgraded/furloughed AND lose your savings.
Again speculate if you can afford to, but no long-term nest-egg investments.
skw pilots still get something like a 25% discount on skyw stock correct? if thats currently the case you guys should be seriously buying it up, as much as possible
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From: A-320
You can contribute up to 15% of your pay. At the end of the half, they look at the closing price on the first day and the last day and we get a 15% discount off the lower of the two.
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I agree no airline is a long term investment, But if you get lucky you can make some quick cash. You just have to get up early in the morning and watch the Foreign markets. Most of the time you can get a good feel for ours unless there is a jobs report or a fed meeting that day.
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Maybe short-term, but in this environment I consider that to mean weeks.
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