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Big cuts for Eagle
In response to soaring fuel prices and an uncertain economy, last month AA announced that it was reducing its schedule and had directed Eagle to reduce its schedule as well. This week, American and Eagle filed schedule changes which will put into effect these previously-announced capacity reductions. These schedule changes will be implemented this fall. As evidenced daily in the news media, increases in fuel prices are causing changes across the U.S. and international economies. The airline industry has been – and will continue to be – more heavily impacted than most businesses because jet fuel now represents such a large percentage of airline operating expenses. The schedule reductions filed this week are intended to reduce the number of loss-making flights but still preserve as many stations and routes as possible. Listed below are some of the major points from Eagle’s perspective. Eagle will: Ground 29 of our 39 EMB-135 (37-seat) fleet Reduce our schedule by 37 flights per day in LGA, 34 flights in Chicago and an additional 7 flight per day reduction in BOS compared to last year’s winter schedule Reduce frequency in many other Eagle stations Close our stations in Albany (ALB), Harrisburg (MDT), Providence (PVD) and San Luis Obispo (SBP) as well as Samana , Dominican Republic (previously announced). Our people at ALB and SBP were notified of these changes earlier today, as were our contract ground handlers in MDT and PVD. Close our maintenance base in SBP as a result of the elimination of the SAAB fleet and the cancellation of the LAX-SBP route The specific schedule adjustments, which call for AA to replace Eagle in some markets, Eagle to replace AA in some markets and AA and Eagle to share some markets, will be visible in Sabre on Sunday, June 29. American is also making significant changes at the AmericanConnection carriers by reducing STL daily departures by approximately 35 compared to last year. After flying reliably and safely for American in St. Louis for seven years, American has requested that Trans States Airlines return to Eagle the ten EMB-145s (50 seaters) which it currently leases from Eagle. These aircraft will return to Eagle beginning early next year and will be put in service at Eagle. In the weeks to come, we will be working with our union leaders, managers and front-line employees to determine the staffing that is needed to operate this reduced schedule, integrate planes returning from Trans States and find ways to minimize the disruption to our people. We will provide more information in the coming weeks as we finalize this plan. Please accept my sincere thanks to all of you for your patience and professionalism as we adapt to the schedule and other changes. As always, please keep the safety of our customers and co-workers at the top of your consciousness. |
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 411908)
Big cuts for Eagle, and looks like TSA/CHQ will be reduced as well. Company email said changes in the northeast crew bases (close either BOS or LGA) will be coming soon.
CHQ? You mean RAH? I didn't even know they flew for AA. LAX-SBP is a good route for SKW, much like SFO-SBP. I wonder if SKW will up frequency to cover Eagles absence. That’s too bad; I’m going to miss racing Eagles Saabs around SoCal. |
Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 411919)
CHQ? You mean RAH? I didn't even know they flew for AA.
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 411908)
Big cuts for Eagle, and looks like TSA/CHQ will be reduced as well. Company email said changes in the northeast crew bases (close either BOS or LGA) will be coming soon.
Sorry to hear it's eagles turn in the barrel. Good luck to all the eagle folks with the F word. We all deserve better FWIW. |
Best of luck and this is still the beginning of the downward spiral for all of us. Hold on and don't be surprised. |
On the bright side at Eagle the 10 145s leased to TSA will be returned by the beginning of 2009.
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
(Post 411935)
On the bright side at Eagle the 10 145s leased to TSA will be returned by the beginning of 2009.
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 411919)
CHQ? You mean RAH? I didn't even know they flew for AA.
LAX-SBP is a good route for SKW, much like SFO-SBP. I wonder if SKW will up frequency to cover Eagles absence. That’s too bad; I’m going to miss racing Eagles Saabs around SoCal. |
Looks like at loss of 19 jets and 25 SF3's. At 9 pilots/plane thats 396 pilots. However we've been understaffed by about 200 pilots, so all that may occur is about 150 captains losing their seats and perhaps NO furloughs.........................perhaps.
Right now there is exploration to find ways to minimize downgrades by several possibilites. In any case, I would guess at least 75 current captains may be back to FO as the best case scenario, which given UAL's hatchet work ain't so bad. Let's see what happens within a couple of weeks. |
This is only a net loss 0f 19 jets. Add that to the Saabs and its a lot better than we originally thought. Maybe this is mgmt's way of softening the blow but considering we were previously very under staffed and the fact that we have a relatively complex operation in terms of bases and fleets, I hope and truly believe that we can avoid furloughs with these cuts.
My heart does go out to the folks in BOS and LGA. It sounded like one of the bases was going to get cut and it always hurts when its your base. Good luck everyone. |
Originally Posted by Deez340
(Post 411950)
Yea, you sound real broken up about it.:rolleyes:
BTW, Eagle runs the route (LAX-SBP) 4 times a day and so does SKW; we also run SBP another 5 times from SFO and once from SLC. I’m just saying that SKW will probably a 1 or 2 more flights from LAX for obvious reasons. Don’t be a typical APC poster and read more into my posting than what was intended. |
Originally Posted by coldpilot
(Post 411935)
On the bright side at Eagle the 10 145s leased to TSA will be returned by the beginning of 2009.
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 411973)
Does TSA operate any other a/c for AA besides these 10?
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even though we're understaffed the boston base is overstaffed and i'm told most of my reserve will be out of somewhere other than boston where i'm based...
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Originally Posted by ChickenFlight
(Post 411962)
This is only a net loss 0f 19 jets. Add that to the Saabs and its a lot better than we originally thought. Maybe this is mgmt's way of softening the blow but considering we were previously very under staffed and the fact that we have a relatively complex operation in terms of bases and fleets, I hope and truly believe that we can avoid furloughs with these cuts.
My heart does go out to the folks in BOS and LGA. It sounded like one of the bases was going to get cut and it always hurts when its your base. Good luck everyone. |
Originally Posted by withthatsaid182
(Post 411993)
i hope that is the case but if there are 200-230 pilots coming from the saabs they will likely displace moost of the lower guys on the EMB. i think that the 200 short is working itself out and a shortage of maybe 400 would've avoided any furloughs. it just seems there's going to be to many displaced pilots at this point to avoid some sort of reduction. i don't think eagle can afford almost 3000 pilots.
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
(Post 411998)
It's nice to know what the fleet plan is right now. It would be better to know the staffing that they are planning on. I have heard numbers as high as being 250 FOs short right now. Either way with the net loss of 45 planes (26 SF3 and 19 EMB) it's still not too comfortable sitting about 150 from the bottom.
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 411908)
Big cuts for Eagle, and looks like TSA/CHQ will be reduced as well. Company email said changes in the northeast crew bases (close either BOS or LGA) will be coming soon.
Where in the company email did it say anything about closing the bases? You take good solid information, and then interject your own conjecture with the implication that it is fact. I wouldn't put it past them to do so, but it wasn't part of the email. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 412025)
Where in the company email did it say anything about closing the bases?
You take good solid information, and then interject your own conjecture with the implication that it is fact. I wouldn't put it past them to do so, but it wasn't part of the email. TO: ALL AMERICAN EAGLE PILOTS¶ RE: TODAYS SCHEDULE ANNOUNCEMENTS¶ TODAY, AMR ANNOUNCED THE CHANGES IT WILL BE MAKING TO BOT THE AMERICAN AND AMERICAN EAGLE SCHEDULES FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, TO ACHIEVE THE PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED REDUCTION IN CAPACITY. FOR EAGLE, THIS WILL RESULT IN THE GROUNDING OF AIRCRAFT. REDUCED FLIGHT FREQUENCY IN MANY CITIES AND REGRETTABLY, THE CLOSURE OF FIVE STATIONS AND A MAINTENANCE FACILITY. EMPLOYEES IN THOSE CITIES MOST IMPACTED BY THESE CHANGES HAVE ALREADY BEEN INFORMED. FOR OUR FLIGHTCREWS THESE ADDITIONAL SCHEDULE REDUCTIONS IN BOS, AS WELL AS THE LARGE NUMBER OF REDUCTIONS IN LGA REQUIRE THAT WE MAKE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS CONCERNING OUR CREW BASES IN THE NORTHEAST. WE WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED AS WE WORK THROUGH THESE DECISIONS. I WANT TO OFFER MY SPECIAL THANKS TO PETER BOWLER AND THE ENTIRE EAGLE LEADERSHIP TEAM FOR THEIR EFFORTS ON BEHALF OF OUR PEOPLE. PETER, ALONG WITH MYSELF AND OTHER EAGLE EXECUTIVES, WORKED CLOSELY WITH AMERICAN THROUGHOUT THESE SCHEDULING DECISIONS AND FOUGHT HARD TO KEEP FLYING FOR EAGLE - AND WE WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN AMERICANS DECISION TO REQUEST THAT TRANS STATES RETURN THE 10 CURRENTLY LEASED RJS TO EAGLE.¶ I ALSO WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR THE JOB YOU DO, AND THE PROFESSIONALISM YOU DISPLAY, TRANSPORTING OUR PASSENGERS TO THEIR DESTINATIONS EVERY DAY. FOR MORE DETAILS ABOUT TODAYS ANNOUNCEMENTS, READ THE SPECIAL EAGLEWIRE FROM PRESIDENT AND CEO PETER BOWLER THAT HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TODAY AND POSTED ON THE FLIGHT OPS WEBPAGE. FEEL FREE TO CALL ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS/COMMENTS. FLY SAFE JIM WINKLEY (VP FLIGHT OPERATIONS) |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 412025)
Where in the company email did it say anything about closing the bases?
You take good solid information, and then interject your own conjecture with the implication that it is fact. I wouldn't put it past them to do so, but it wasn't part of the email. WELL AS THE LARGE NUMBER OF REDUCTIONS IN LGA REQUIRE THAT WE MAKE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS CONCERNING OUR CREW BASES IN THE NORTHEAST. WE WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED AS WE WORK THROUGH THESE DECISIONS. That kinda hinted to me that we would lose one or both bases. Open JFK maybe. |
Originally Posted by ERJ135
(Post 412064)
FOR OUR FLIGHTCREWS THESE ADDITIONAL SCHEDULE REDUCTIONS IN BOS, AS
WELL AS THE LARGE NUMBER OF REDUCTIONS IN LGA REQUIRE THAT WE MAKE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS CONCERNING OUR CREW BASES IN THE NORTHEAST. WE WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED AS WE WORK THROUGH THESE DECISIONS. That kinda hinted to me that we would lose one or both bases. Open JFK maybe. |
Originally Posted by coldpilot
(Post 411998)
It's nice to know what the fleet plan is right now. It would be better to know the staffing that they are planning on. I have heard numbers as high as being 250 FOs short right now. Either way with the net loss of 45 planes (26 SF3 and 19 EMB) it's still not too comfortable sitting about 150 from the bottom.
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Originally Posted by FOblondie
(Post 412081)
Just curious, when was your class date? I'm not sure how far from the bottom I'm sitting right now and I'd be curious if you started before or after me.
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Originally Posted by maveric311
(Post 412086)
You have roughly 250 under you Blondie.. take it from me.:)
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 411973)
Does TSA operate any other a/c for AA besides these 10?
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Originally Posted by AV8ER
(Post 412104)
Company put out an announcement saying come september, we were supposed to be operating 13 for american. The 10 that Eagle will get are included in that number. Not looking good for us to continue an American operation...
ALPA is very pleased to announce that as a result of ALPA and Eagle management’s efforts, the 10 Embraer 145’s currently leased to TSA will be returned to American Eagle Airlines. The transfer process will begin in approximately 6 months, and continue at a rate of approximately two aircraft per month into 2009. Although this is welcome news for Eagle pilots who have wrestled with outsourcing since AA’s acquisition of TWA, it is a significant blow to our fellow ALPA pilots at Trans States Airlines. Our MEC will continue to work closely with the Trans States Airlines MEC to assist in whatever way we can. |
Originally Posted by ChickenFlight
(Post 411962)
This is only a net loss 0f 19 jets. Add that to the Saabs and its a lot better than we originally thought. Maybe this is mgmt's way of softening the blow but considering we were previously very under staffed and the fact that we have a relatively complex operation in terms of bases and fleets, I hope and truly believe that we can avoid furloughs with these cuts.
My heart does go out to the folks in BOS and LGA. It sounded like one of the bases was going to get cut and it always hurts when its your base. Good luck everyone. |
And a Shorts base.
Originally Posted by Deez340
(Post 412080)
Yea, that would bring things full circle. JFK used to be a ATR and SAAB base.
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I am truly sorry for all at eagle, but particularly those hired after last summer. A buddy of mine is over there, hired at the end of summer '07, says that if they furlough he thinks he's gone.
Sad time in our industry, it looks like anyone hired in the past 12 months is in jeopardy at any regional and/or major. |
Originally Posted by careerpilot
(Post 412143)
You are exactly right. I was surprised to see that we were only losing 19 jets for now. The 10 jets that were stolen from us are pieces of crap but I I will gladly fly them. I have a feeling the MIA flying will also be returning shortly.
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Originally Posted by FOblondie
(Post 412090)
Yes and you're always very mysterious as to how you know that. I want to see it for myself. Plus that number was awhile ago and since a lot of those guys were still in training I'm assuming quite a few aren't there anymore.
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Originally Posted by maveric311
(Post 412158)
Everyone that started class has finished or is in the process of finishing. They havent sent anyone home from the school house to my knowledge.
Besides a couple CA upgrades, nobody has gone home...all the new-hires are still here. |
...and all our checkrides are finsihed by friday...
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 411908)
Looks like TSA/CHQ will be reduced as well.
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
(Post 412443)
I would be surprised if AA took any flying away from CHQ. Contractually, I don't think they can reduce us a significant amount unless they go into bankruptcy.
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Originally Posted by maveric311
(Post 412158)
Everyone that started class has finished or is in the process of finishing. They havent sent anyone home from the school house to my knowledge.
Furloughs may happen so if you are towards the bottom, keep a backup plan in place but in the mean time you will have an excellent opportunity to build time and experience with some very good Captains. IF those furloughs happen, it probibly won't be for months and by then they may not be necessary at all. I know its difficult but keep focused and do what you do best. Good luck all |
This may have already been mentioned....
However, first off, what is good for one isn't good for another. We at TSA are screwed with potentially 100 pilots furloughed because of this, while the Eagle guys are happy. No hard feelings at all to the Eagle guys, its just the way life works and we'll suck it up. However, we operate 16 AA airplanes, with 10 gone soon, our AA operation will be about the same as our Airways operation. However, this may???? be a good thing because it loosens AA's grip on us as regards that 50 seat scope clause. Perhaps if we ditch AA flying, we can begin to get 70 seaters on the TSA side, merge seniority lists with GoJet (that will be a big cluster to arrange) and operate primarily as a United feeder. But, then again, if United goes TU, we're done. |
Originally Posted by bryris
(Post 412495)
However, first off, what is good for one isn't good for another. We at TSA are screwed with potentially 100 pilots furloughed because of this, while the Eagle guys are happy.
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Originally Posted by bryris
(Post 412495)
Perhaps if we ditch AA flying, we can begin to get 70 seaters on the TSA side
Sure it was a bad pay scale and the Go Jet guys stayed in their "70 seaters", but a 3 year extention to secure future flying was worth it (in my oppinion). Hope my friends at TSA are able to ride this one out...good luck guys. :cool: |
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 412465)
Does anyone have info on how the CHQ contract works? I would imagine AA is locked into an agreement and wouldnt be able to just cut them out?
The common feeling is that both parties will part ways when the contract is up in 2013ish. |
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