Eagle reduces job cuts...takes 10 planes from TSA
 

sorry...can't post the link but its on the AP...I'm on my iPhone in the hotel but anyways...I guess this story is good and bad...just the majors having us fight one another again...congrats eagle....and sorry TSA....

Here ya go.
 

thanks....whew...the iPhone can do many things but the simple cut and paste action is lacking...LOL...carry on!!!!

but it's pretty easy to look at the weather radar and then call dispatch to tell them it looks alright...:D

My only beef with this is that I haven't heard anything from the union in the form of e-mail or any other mass communication. I had to hear about it on Yahoo! Finance. Gotta love the communication. Glad they were able to mitigate job loss. Makes me feel much better about where I sit. Now we get to wait for the details of the agreement....

How about actually sending an e-mail to us explaining the details of it instead of posting an identical press release on the ALPA site? Still peeved about it. Whatever though, there are bigger fish to fry.

I'm glad to see those 10 RJ's back at AE... They should have never been at TSA in the 1st place...

Jesus Christ on a tricycle, get over it.
You peckerheads sound like a bunch of kids crying because Tommy won't share his digger toy.

quote of the year, make it a sticky

2nd that!!!!! Make it a sticky or at least a t-shirt!

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ahahahahahahahaha
:D

my mind just flashed to full metal jacket
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14...j_movie_03.jpg

I know POPA, and I'm sorry but images of him riding around a parking lot with his head and midsection sticking out of the sunroof wearing a collegiate flag as a cape and a burger king crown block any images of R. Lee Earmey

HA

I lose my job....and the Eagle pilots rejoice....

No one here is rejoicing for anyone losing their job. In fact, one of my least favorite people from college has been hired and canceled on 4 different times, by 4 different 121 companies.:eek: And maybe I'm just a nice guy, but i feel for him and his situation. I hate that there are people out there losing their jobs. But it's ultimately out of any of our control.
Give it a rest! stand back up. hold up your chin. turn the other cheek. Do whatever you have to, but just stop griping!

Nobody is rejoicing at job loss. Several of us here at Eagle may still be up on the chopping block too. We are happy that we were able to get management to abide by SCOPE! The guys at TSA know what it is like to have scope ripped out from under them. This is a victory for all pilot groups.

I will say again I wish all of you at TSA the best and hope you can find something to keep you on your feet during such a turbulent time in the industry.

Why the harshness toward TSA the most I still don't understand. What about CHQ? Or are they cool in everyones book because they have such a great contract and all? :confused:

LOL! This is going in my sig.

Edit: Nevermind, this forum is locked up tighter than a 10yr old.

Ten year old?! LoL

Eagle got 10 planes back but only 2 will end up in LA from the 5 projected. More bad news for LA guys, also losing Las Vegas end of Sept.

Yeah sure, everyone at Eagle is rejoicing...We're looking at a base closure(or two), all the Saabs parked, and 29 or so 135's parked. We're looking at 100-200 furloughs. Party on, morons.

I get ALPA newsletters very regularly. Like twice a week. If you want to stay informed you need to contact ALPA and get on their "mailing list". I feel I have been very well informed, I think I have always been ahead of USATODAY.com

Give it a try. Hope it helps.

Would you be saying the same thing if TSA gave "your" flying to another airline? If TSA gave "your" flying to Pinnacle (just picking one) and sold 10 of "your" aircraft to Pinnacle you would want to get "your" flights back, aircraft back, and may be sour towards Pinnacle.

Me personally am not sour towards TSA. I am more sour toward my mgt for doing it. The animosity between AE and TSA pilots i think is childish. It wasnt anything that was on "our" table to deal. i.e. out of our hands. We are just monkeys that drive the planes that overpaid white-collars give us.

Was the flying outsourced to TSA because Eagle couldnt staff them? Is that right or am I way off?

I feel for the TSA guys. We as AE pilots are next to get furlough/displacement notices. This whole industry blows right now. We as pilots have to stick together against management who are the ones that play us against each other. No one I know is happy to see other pilots on the street. Good luck to us all!

Your way off...

AE Pilots were on furlough at the time of the transfer... The transfer occured b/c of the APA Scope limit that froze the ASMs at the regionals feeding the AA code when APA pilots were on furlough. That's when the AX code was born. AA was to "FEED" AX, therefor bypassing the APA ASM Cap. APA later won this greivence and lifted the ASM cap in 2003 thus stoping the transfer of more 50 seat rj's (only 10 of the 15 planned went).

It was not YOUR flying...it was MY flying....all MINE

Probably cuz TSA has AMR airplanes and CHQ doesn't. And CHQ isn't violating Eagle's scope clause with their flying. All CHQ does is the flying that we used to do for TWA. That was protected with the same merger clause that's in all of our contracts when AA bought out TWA. And that's the 5th time I've had to explain that this week.

If I'm not grossly uneducated...didnt TSA do some TWE flying as well? You know...out of STL...back in the good ole days?

They certainly did. I have no idea about the details of that contract or how they ended up with Eagle planes. (Well, I know HOW they ended up with them, but not why they didn't keep their own airframes on the flying)

Yeah I just thought we needed some airplanes and AMR was at a surplus and would lease them to us. Eh guess I have a lot of growing up to do still...

Its gonna be more than that. Try 250 -350 furloughs- thats my guess unless you come up with alot of voluntary LOAs or part-time lines or something.

Those ERJs are not coming back until next year and even then it will be over a period of months. Eagle is gonna furlough based on parking 54 airplanes. When those jets start coming in then maybe they will recall some furloughs to staff them.

Why dont you throw in a few more acronyms just for fun.... :D

I get the emails. Its been two days since this "deal" and still everyone I have talked to doesn't know a damn thing about it.

That is the position AMR claimed was the case during the 2002 arbitration over the airplanes. There also was an APA scope issue when it happened. The arbitrator didn't care that eagle had people on furlough at the time of the transfer of the jets, he relied on AMR's statement that eagle was "in maximum growth mode" and was unable to staff the planes hence the need to contract/lease with TSA. The arbitrator ignored the furloughed eagle guys and went based on AMR's statements. The entire arbitration is available in the ALPA documents/records section on their website in case anybody wants to read it.

"Full growth mode," yet they had Pilots on the streets? Doesn't sound kosher to me...:confused:

so eagle gets their planes back...wahoo...theoretically speaking if TSA found 10 airplanes out there somewhere to lease..could they continue to fly as american connection? as said in previous statements weren't the TSA flights TWE originally..just like chq's connection flights and not eagles?

Well, in accordance with AE Scope, TSA wasnt supposed to be doing the MIA flying, hence us Eagle guys waving at you with one finger. The company told us that they were getting TSA to do this flying so that we could expand ORD and make better efficiency of the aircraft use up there. ALPA grieved it as it was a violation. This was a violation so severe that had we been able to (re: No Strike Clause) , we may have struck it. I have no bad feelings towards the individual TSA pilots who are flying the MIA routes, however, I do feel ill towards the collective group as a whole, with their ALPA representatives, for not questioning the legitimacy of their newly awarded flying. Given that we are members of the same union, a Scope violation of this level should never have occurred. I have been out of the loop for a few days and have not heard whether we have that flying back yet, but the news of our 10 aircraft returning is great and I am very happy to hear it.

I'll agree that we should not have ever gone into Miami in the first place. Scope in my opinion is the do all end all of the CBA. But would you question your MEC if Eagle came in to take some of over some of OUR connection flying out of St. Louis? I have to ask because I feel as though there are some (not necessarily you), but there are some at Eagle that feel as though any regional flying American has you are entitled to, even if they are routes that us at Trans States flew for as TWE. Not trying to ensight a riot, just asking.