Hahaha.... you just became my hero! =)

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First, there are more than 5 regionals out there, but we all understand you probably had 500 TT and needed the "cool" job.

Second and third, you had a shot at being a school teacher.

Fourth, "the Mesa has been"!?!? maybe you didnt...

Fifth, the only reason you posted the profit is from the settlement, Mesa got lucky, we'll see when the others come around... so chin up for now i guess

"Shot down" BY 5 (count 'em FIVE) regionals in the pilot market of the last 5 years ?

That tells me everything I need to know about you, pilot wise.

If that many regionals as hard up for pilots as they've been showed you the door, then it seems the only place that WOULD take you would be Mesa.

So my initial statement stands..............you hitched your buggy to the only (hack) outfit that would have you and that was your decision to sit behind the smellyest horse in the stable. I don't relish you losing your job, but J.O. HAS to go..............and it seems soon will. An individual of this character could have only lasted so long and most of us have seen that FOR YEARS. In your case it may be especially tragic as the only place left to go that you seem to be able to pass an interview is 7-11. Your grammar skills should serve you well on their application.

Good luck.

BTW, errors in spelling and grammar aren't always what they seem, but are frequently pointed out by those with no other argument or rebuttal and need "fluff" to fill their posts. My familty will keep you in their thoughts and prayers when Johnny gets what has been LONG overdue.

It's great he's your hero, but I'd think twice about him being your pilot.

5 time faliures at the regional interview level in a market that has been flat out desperate for the last 5 years (not including the last few months), don't say much about your survival in the back of that tube if he is.

I give you 50/50 odds at best.

Mesa hires leftovers. I personally know someone who has failed to get a job at every interview, including Gojet, who is pinning his hopes up on MESA next month, he'll probably get it...

I hope all the Mesa guys do better the next time around, after all, they've got nowhere to go but up. I can understand his fear. He's clinging to the only place that took him, bad as it is. Over the last 5 years, I've flown with many pilots who were unsuccesful at 1, 2 or even 3 other regionals (many with very low time). They learned something from each experience and were able to overcome the obstacles and correct mistakes to be successful. If a pilot busts 5 interviews at the regional level (especially in the recent market), then there HAS to be something significant going on. If you get the interview in the first place, your flight time isn't a disqualifier and apparently it isn't grammar and usage as there's supposedly a history with a piece of chalk and a bunch of kids. He needs to look within himself to identify the cause of the repetitive failures. This in and of itself will be a future obstacle, because soon he may be in that room again and will be asked what other companies he's ever interviewed with and he'll either have to explain a serious faliure pattern or lie.

Not good in either case, which may only add to the desperation to see Backboard Airlines continue.......but I digress.

The bottom line is that their boss has to go, no if, ands or buts.

...........and the sooner the better.

The regionals have not been desperate for the last 5 years. When I was hired there was 1 "west coast" jet regional hiring. It was my first and only attempt as was for my compadres. BTW 11 United/US Air furloughs were new hires in my class they have since moved on as they had the time. And no I was not MAPD I flew single pilot IFR in a piece of .... before MESA, college degree, no failed rides, polished shoes, clean record etc. etc. So don't tell me about leftovers. Get off your friggin high horse and accept the fact that timing has alot to do with where a person ends up.

There's probably a lot of good guys in prison also. Mesa is a very small "West coast" airline, the only time you'll see California is if you're a senior FO on minimum days off reserve or a really senior lifer Captain.

I get a little fired up at statements like this one. Here's why:
There are more than five regionals out there, but I only got a call from five. I would have felt weird walking in to the recruiters office and demanding an interview. Also, be careful who you accuse of not paying dues. You couldn't have chosen a worse person to attack. Apparently you have the company financial statement to know that the only reason Mesa posted a profit is due to the settlement. Perhaps you can let all Mesa employees know what is to come.

I counted 'em. I'm guessing you weren't looking for a job five years ago. Once again, you couldn't have chosen a worse person to attack. I'm not going to quabble with you like a five year old. Maybe NASA will pick you up someday.

This is why nothing gets done to improve the industry. The air is thin where many of you breathe.

"It's great he's your hero, but I'd think twice about him being your pilot."

Why, cause he works at Mesa?

I have friends who left Mesa for UPS, America West, and Delta. Know another that interviewed at Alaska last year.

You accept a job working for this guy and then lament that no one ELSE is doing anything to improve the industry ?

You lost me on that one.

Here's my first suggestion at improving the industry :

BAN J.O. and do NOT reward him or companies like his that attempt to get rich of their slave labor.

Here's my second :

Educate pilots NOT to work for bottom-of-the-barrel operations like this, for if they do, inform them they are dragging down the industry and may end up with an unhappy outcome career-wise.

Denver was a very large CRJ and D8 base when I started, yes I consider DEN a west coast domicile. As for the latter part of your quote I agree Mesa has morphed into an east coast airline. As always hindsight is.. well you know.

Attack the company all day long I won't say a word. However, your comment about leftovers demonstrates a level of ignorance/lack of education and maturity in the industry. Think about it chief 700 pilots left in 07 that's one year. Where did they all go? Think about how many LAMA's there are in the entire industry. This is hopefully the last time I waste words trying to "edumacate" people such as yourself.

If people want to fix the industry they need to look further than just mesa. Mesa may come and go then what???? Transtates/Pinnacle good contracts come and go along with good and bad CEO's. The only way to increase your asking price in wages is to decrease the ample supply of applicants at all airlines. An APC member once told me to read flying the line I suggest you do the same.

Well said, eaglefly,
mesa is most definitely the bottom of the barrel

You never answered my question about the definition of a legitimate pilot.

You also failed to tell me where you work, and why you are a legitimate pilot.

Funny you say that as a lifer at AE.

Don't even try to convince me you haven't applied or interviewed anywhere else. Your attitude explains why you didn't get the job(s).

Keep in mind, if you applied and never got called, that still counts as a failed attempt at a job.

The only difference between you and this guy, is the ONE place that "bit" on you, has turned out (so far) better than Mesa.

That was not edited out, my apologies about the misuse of the word legitimate

To all the non scab, hard working, "legitimate", non-leftover, PILOTS at Mesa, or any other airline, I apologize on behalf of all pilots that you may have read some of the previous garbage. If one wishes demise on another, then he is no better than JO or FL himself.

Well Said pokey

You still at Mesaba or are you a CFI now? So you lurk around the boards taking pot shots at Mesa guys?

Must suck to be 54 and have nothing better to do than pump yourself up by picking on guys half your age. How is it being a 54 year old regional F/O? Was it always your plan to make $30,000/year into your fifties? But hey, nothing personal.

Show me one post you have made that contains useful and/or mature information.

With the exception of your 5 posts about Mesaba, you have done nothing but flame.

Bit harsh on this guy are we not ?:eek:

Muushin,

I'm sensing a lot of angst and flame. Beginning in April of this year, you started bashing Mesa profusely. What gives?

Voice your opinion

So what's your horrific story? Are you Canadian? Don't they have airline jobs in Canada or do you just want to take jobs from Americans? Does it have anything to do with this?

PRIA and failed systems training


Seriously dude, systems training?

Looks like Mesa was on your radar for a while. How's that Mesaba gig working out?

Posted on 5/25/07

Posted on 6/10/07. What??? How old are you? Man you age fast. Bitter old man.

Kettle - Black

Take your flame bait elsewhere. This isn't flightinfo!

Hey now, no need for insults, Insulting me will not make you a better pilot than me, on the contrary, as a good 121 pilot gainfully employed, I question your ability piloting anything under pressure, if you have to resort to character insults to convey your point across. In fact, let it show that you represent the company you work for by the integrity of the composure of you demeanor. Notwithstanding that you and the rest of mesa is in its death throws and that under the circumstances, we acknowledge what you are going through, but the unfortunate reality is that things are usually what they seem, and long long before I came on this site bad mouthing mesa and, from my own dastardly experiences with that rotten governance, along with the opinion of a whole lot of other people, from all walks of life within and from outside of the industry have had, or, have heard of, horrific experiences and unbelievable dealings with mesa.

So say what you want to about me, for I am just another pilot badmouthing a bad company, smart enough to know that my commenting on a disreputable company is far more important than the insults about me and whatever else you can muster up regarding backhanded insults or air's of superiority that are childishly sneered toward me. The fact shines out like a star in the heavens that mesa is a stigma, a pit on the planet, and I am truly sorry if that offends you but, be not mistaken mesa must be gone ASAP.

I did some research, and found you weren't CFI and changed the context of my post. Take a look at it and respond in a coherant manner.

The above response of yours was clearly an attempt to look further down your nose by using $5 and $10 words. It doesn't make much sense, and reads terribly.

Look at you bringing up my skills as a pilot, and my ability to perform under pressure. That's hilarious, and infantile.

Don't pride yourself, I'm laughing my ass off at you while enjoying a beer.

Sure insult me have your beer,


And mesa is a good place to work with people having good things to say and the future is really bright and is not going to be out of business very soon.


yes, you are going places real fast!!


BTW
personal insults out of your rantings truly shows your character, or lack of...


And learn how to spell like a mature adult, that is a prerequisite for being one.

Just another reason why mesa has such a reputation, one would surmise.

So....

Let's leave take the personal tit for tat's to PM's and leave them off the forums.

Oh phooey. There are some bad pilots at Mesa, sure. Just as there are bad employees at ANY job site. That being said, I have complete trust in my pilots, they have never been anything but professional. =)

My Mesa Experience
 

FWIW, I've enjoyed my 5 years here at Mesa. It has been a pretty good gig for me.

• I'm home every night, don't do overnights
• Learned a lot from my exeriences here, I've gotten to fly in one of the more challenging areas of the U.S. in the Dash 8. It has made me a better pilot.
• My first 2.5 yrs. here @ Mesa I averaged between 200 and 220 days off per year while flying between 900-1000 hrs. per year.
• I've flown w/ many different pilots here w/ 10,000 to 20,000 hrs. of flight time and served w/ some first-rate flight attendants who have practically treated me like a son.

Like most selfish pilots I would like more pay, I'm sorry our pilots have not been compensated fairly. I'm also sorry that the company has cancelled vacations in the CRJ for nearly a year now. Additionally, I haven't enjoyed the rampant jr. assignments in the Summer when our staffing levels go down. Other than this, it has been a good ride for me. I knew what I was signing up for when I joined up 5 yrs. ago and I like to think I've made the most of it.

Berating pilots for working @ a company w/ a questionable CEO is a total waste of time. I became a pilot because I enjoy flying airplanes, not to satisfy some corporate executive. I wouldn't slander a United pilot because they choose to work for Glen Tilton...it's not their fault. Faulting a Mesa pilot for dragging the industry down is no different than faulting United pilots for bringing the industry down as well...a totally ludicrous assertion.

As far as Mesa hiring left-overs who didn't get hired anywhere else: who cares. The recent newhires I've worked w/ have done a fine job and despite the current climate in the industry have kept their heads high, so frankly, I'm glad we got 'em. Talk to some of the guys/gals who are working today @ Southwest, UPS, FedEx and were hired at those carriers 10 or more years ago...the pilots who helped build those companies into what they are today, I'm sure many of them were rejected at previous interviews only to hit it big w/ their current carriers.

I've wasted too much time on this thread I'm out. I won't forget that post anytime soon however nice job.

Don't know, don't care. Whether is was systems or even something else at Mesaba, Mesa or wherever.

If Muush is bitter because of an event, he needs to accept responsibility, regardless of how raw a deal he feels he received (STS).

He needs to move forward and learn from the experience.

His posts were getting repetitive and definitely not in the spirit of the Airline Pilot Central forums. We don't need to turn this board into another flightinfo.

A regional airline lifestyle, for most, is not a good one.

If you are unhappy, by all means, find yourself a better job. That's your right. If you want to make a regional a career, that's your right too. Always remember, one mans trash is another mans treasure. It's what you make of it.

With that being said, don't lose sight of your dreams and goals. Upgrade. Move forward. Don't get stuck in the quagmire. It's called a cyclical industry for a reason.

Mods, I think it's time to close this one down.

Dang...If I got dressed-down on a public forum like that by Jake Speed I would abstain from posting on a public forum ever again. Good research, I never realized these things about Muushin, explains quite a lot...it all makes sense now. I always wondered why almost all of his posts are so dog-gone anti-Mesa and filled w/ vinegar.

I'll bet Muushin is probably cursing the "see past threads from this user" feature provided by APC.

The lesson: Be careful what you say today, it could be used against you at a later date.

No, the difference is you're making assumptions on me whan I highlighted FACTS about him.

Never applied anywhere else as I'm happy making 120K and having some job security (if that's possible in this industry). I'm not going to convince you of anything as apparently your hero J.O. already has you convinced of a lot worse.

No, I was hard on J.O.

He took it as personal attack on him and here we are.

I wish the best for him, but the worst for J.O. and Mesa.

Let it go fellas... Take the urine and vinegar and use it on something more beneficial, like shooting limes out of a potato cannon. :D Link Link 2 Now that's good times!

Muushin,

While I'm not a big fan of mesa myself, if you washed out of their training you've lost the high ground and need to lay off.

The best mesa insight comes from those who USED to work there...we know what it's really like and unlike some active mesans who may suffer from stockholm syndrome, the lamas understand the sharp contrast between mesa-land and most other airlines.

But seriously, if you got rejected or flunked out you have no room to talk (this applies to tpersuit and SKW as well).

Does anyone need to ask why this thread is being closed? Havent talked about chapter 7 for a few pages now.