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Old 07-05-2008 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pokey9554
I'll break your post down as well as the content in it. This should be nothing personal against eaglefly. First, many of us DID NOT freely choose to hook up our trailers to Mesa'a hitch. At the time, I had interviewed with five other regionals, and been shot down at every one. Second, when comparing two things such as Lorenzo and Ornstein, use than instead of then. Third, when talking about a group that knows something, use their instead of there. Fourth, the Mesa has been losing the United contract rumor has been going on for years. Could Mesa lose it, sure, but United is only concerned with saving money, so they will likely keep Mesa. Fifth, Mesa is not losing money outside of the courtroom. Mesa just posted a profit. Should one pilot (you) be embarassed for having a gramatically impotent post (yours) full of inaccurate data (the information in your post)? Yes, you should; because you embarass me. Thanks for wishing Mesa pilots out of a job. I don't hope you and your family starve because of your loss of a job. 99.9% of Mesa pilots don't like Mesa either, there's just nowhere to go.

Hahaha.... you just became my hero! =)
Old 07-05-2008 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pokey9554
I'll break your post down as well as the content in it. This should be nothing personal against eaglefly. First, many of us DID NOT freely choose to hook up our trailers to Mesa'a hitch. At the time, I had interviewed with five other regionals, and been shot down at every one. Second, when comparing two things such as Lorenzo and Ornstein, use than instead of then. Third, when talking about a group that knows something, use their instead of there. Fourth, the Mesa has been losing the United contract rumor has been going on for years. Could Mesa lose it, sure, but United is only concerned with saving money, so they will likely keep Mesa. Fifth, Mesa is not losing money outside of the courtroom. Mesa just posted a profit. Should one pilot (you) be embarassed for having a gramatically impotent post (yours) full of inaccurate data (the information in your post)? Yes, you should; because you embarass me. Thanks for wishing Mesa pilots out of a job. I don't hope you and your family starve because of your loss of a job. 99.9% of Mesa pilots don't like Mesa either, there's just nowhere to go.
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First, there are more than 5 regionals out there, but we all understand you probably had 500 TT and needed the "cool" job.

Second and third, you had a shot at being a school teacher.

Fourth, "the Mesa has been"!?!? maybe you didnt...

Fifth, the only reason you posted the profit is from the settlement, Mesa got lucky, we'll see when the others come around... so chin up for now i guess
Old 07-05-2008 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pokey9554
I'll break your post down as well as the content in it. This should be nothing personal against eaglefly. First, many of us DID NOT freely choose to hook up our trailers to Mesa'a hitch. At the time, I had interviewed with five other regionals, and been shot down at every one. Second, when comparing two things such as Lorenzo and Ornstein, use than instead of then. Third, when talking about a group that knows something, use their instead of there. Fourth, the Mesa has been losing the United contract rumor has been going on for years. Could Mesa lose it, sure, but United is only concerned with saving money, so they will likely keep Mesa. Fifth, Mesa is not losing money outside of the courtroom. Mesa just posted a profit. Should one pilot (you) be embarassed for having a gramatically impotent post (yours) full of inaccurate data (the information in your post)? Yes, you should; because you embarass me. Thanks for wishing Mesa pilots out of a job. I don't hope you and your family starve because of your loss of a job. 99.9% of Mesa pilots don't like Mesa either, there's just nowhere to go.
"Shot down" BY 5 (count 'em FIVE) regionals in the pilot market of the last 5 years ?

That tells me everything I need to know about you, pilot wise.

If that many regionals as hard up for pilots as they've been showed you the door, then it seems the only place that WOULD take you would be Mesa.

So my initial statement stands..............you hitched your buggy to the only (hack) outfit that would have you and that was your decision to sit behind the smellyest horse in the stable. I don't relish you losing your job, but J.O. HAS to go..............and it seems soon will. An individual of this character could have only lasted so long and most of us have seen that FOR YEARS. In your case it may be especially tragic as the only place left to go that you seem to be able to pass an interview is 7-11. Your grammar skills should serve you well on their application.

Good luck.

BTW, errors in spelling and grammar aren't always what they seem, but are frequently pointed out by those with no other argument or rebuttal and need "fluff" to fill their posts. My familty will keep you in their thoughts and prayers when Johnny gets what has been LONG overdue.

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Old 07-05-2008 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MesaFA
Hahaha.... you just became my hero! =)
It's great he's your hero, but I'd think twice about him being your pilot.

5 time faliures at the regional interview level in a market that has been flat out desperate for the last 5 years (not including the last few months), don't say much about your survival in the back of that tube if he is.

I give you 50/50 odds at best.
Old 07-05-2008 | 08:53 AM
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Mesa hires leftovers. I personally know someone who has failed to get a job at every interview, including Gojet, who is pinning his hopes up on MESA next month, he'll probably get it...
Old 07-05-2008 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BURflyer
Mesa hires leftovers.
I hope all the Mesa guys do better the next time around, after all, they've got nowhere to go but up. I can understand his fear. He's clinging to the only place that took him, bad as it is. Over the last 5 years, I've flown with many pilots who were unsuccesful at 1, 2 or even 3 other regionals (many with very low time). They learned something from each experience and were able to overcome the obstacles and correct mistakes to be successful. If a pilot busts 5 interviews at the regional level (especially in the recent market), then there HAS to be something significant going on. If you get the interview in the first place, your flight time isn't a disqualifier and apparently it isn't grammar and usage as there's supposedly a history with a piece of chalk and a bunch of kids. He needs to look within himself to identify the cause of the repetitive failures. This in and of itself will be a future obstacle, because soon he may be in that room again and will be asked what other companies he's ever interviewed with and he'll either have to explain a serious faliure pattern or lie.

Not good in either case, which may only add to the desperation to see Backboard Airlines continue.......but I digress.

The bottom line is that their boss has to go, no if, ands or buts.

...........and the sooner the better.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
It's great he's your hero, but I'd think twice about him being your pilot.

5 time faliures at the regional interview level in a market that has been flat out desperate for the last 5 years (not including the last few months), don't say much about your survival in the back of that tube if he is.

I give you 50/50 odds at best.
The regionals have not been desperate for the last 5 years. When I was hired there was 1 "west coast" jet regional hiring. It was my first and only attempt as was for my compadres. BTW 11 United/US Air furloughs were new hires in my class they have since moved on as they had the time. And no I was not MAPD I flew single pilot IFR in a piece of .... before MESA, college degree, no failed rides, polished shoes, clean record etc. etc. So don't tell me about leftovers. Get off your friggin high horse and accept the fact that timing has alot to do with where a person ends up.
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Originally Posted by Ski Patrol
The regionals have not been desperate for the last 5 years. When I was hired there was 1 "west coast" jet regional hiring. It was my first and only attempt as was for my compadres. BTW 11 United/US Air furloughs were new hires in my class they have since moved on as they had the time. And no I was not MAPD I flew single pilot IFR in a piece of .... before MESA, college degree, no failed rides, polished shoes, clean record etc. etc. So don't tell me about leftovers. Get off your friggin high horse and accept the fact that timing has alot to do with where a person ends up.
There's probably a lot of good guys in prison also. Mesa is a very small "West coast" airline, the only time you'll see California is if you're a senior FO on minimum days off reserve or a really senior lifer Captain.
Old 07-05-2008 | 10:47 AM
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First, there are more than 5 regionals out there, but we all understand you probably had 500 TT and needed the "cool" job.

Second and third, you had a shot at being a school teacher.

Fourth, "the Mesa has been"!?!? maybe you didnt...

Fifth, the only reason you posted the profit is from the settlement, Mesa got lucky, we'll see when the others come around... so chin up for now i guess
I get a little fired up at statements like this one. Here's why:
There are more than five regionals out there, but I only got a call from five. I would have felt weird walking in to the recruiters office and demanding an interview. Also, be careful who you accuse of not paying dues. You couldn't have chosen a worse person to attack. Apparently you have the company financial statement to know that the only reason Mesa posted a profit is due to the settlement. Perhaps you can let all Mesa employees know what is to come.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
"Shot down" BY 5 (count 'em FIVE) regionals in the pilot market of the last 5 years ?

That tells me everything I need to know about you, pilot wise.
I counted 'em. I'm guessing you weren't looking for a job five years ago. Once again, you couldn't have chosen a worse person to attack. I'm not going to quabble with you like a five year old. Maybe NASA will pick you up someday.

This is why nothing gets done to improve the industry. The air is thin where many of you breathe.
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