Meatball

FOs cannot do this, only captains can. For FO's there is no pay increase and it is considered a lateral move.

Mason32

No, you can't go from jet to jet. You can by way of displacement, but you can't bid back on a later vacancy. In other words, you could displace from the EMB in BOS to CRJ in ORD. However, you could not bid back to JFK or anywhere else into the EMB by vacancy bid. It would have to be another displacement bid. The only time you can vacancy bid from jet to jet is for an upgrade (seat change).


The rest is correct.

newarkblows

so 275 pilots goes back to a hire date of? Sorry to hear that fellas.

UnlimitedAkro

Can anyone actually confirm that Eagle is completely closing their Boston base? I have a bunch of friends who are based there.

ERJ135

Winkley blames the union.

AMERICAN EAGLE PILOTS:
MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE DISPLACEMENT BID THAT WAS POSTED
LAST NIGHT AND I WANT TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO GIVE YOU
SOME BACKGROUND AS TO WHY BOSTON IS BEING CLOSED AS A
DOMICILE.
OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, MANAGEMENT AND THE ALPA
NEGOTIATING TEAM HAVE BEEN MEETING TO ATTEMPT TO WORK OUT
A CO-DOMICILE LETTER OF AGREEMENT FOR THE LGA-JFK DOMICILES
WHICH WOULD HAVE GIVEN US THE STAFFING FLEXIBILITY TO KEEP
BOSTON OPEN AS A DOMICILE. WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED ON
POSTING A DISPLACEMENT BID ON JULY 6TH AND POSTPONED THAT
FOR A WEEK IN HOPES OF WORKING OUT THE CO-DOMICILE ISSUE.
DUE TO THE NEED TO GET OUR PILOTS TRAINED TO BE IN PLACE
FOR THE NOVEMBER SCHEDULE, WE WERE UNABLE TO POSTPONE THE DISPLACEMENT BID ANY FURTHER WITHOUT THE CO-DOMICILE SOLUTION, BASED ON THE FLYING THAT AA HAS ASKED US TO PERFORM, WE DETERMINED THAT WE CAN BEST SERVE AA BY CLOSING BOSTON AND OPENING JFK. WE BELIEVE THAT A LGA-JFK CO-DOMICILE AND A SMALLER BOS DOMICILE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMPANY AND OUR PILOTS AND WE REGRET THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO GAIN
AGREEMENT WITH ALPA FOR THE CO-DOMICILE SOLUTION.

FLY SAFE
JIM WINKLEY
VP FLIGHT OPERATIONS

The unions response:

Fellow American Eagle Pilots:



Yesterday afternoon, your MEC convened via teleconference to discuss three agenda items. First, whether to waive the required ten day posting period for the draft letter of agreement on JFK-LGA Co-Domiciles. The second agenda item was a possible vote on ratification of the LOA predicated on the MEC electing to waive the posting requirement. Lastly, was a discussion on the displacement process that will be used in the upcoming simultaneous vacancy / displacement bid. We want to thank all of the pilots who took the time to listen in on the MEC’s discussion of these items.



As many of you are already aware, the MEC elected not to waive the posting requirement for the draft letter of agreement on JFK-LGA Co-Domiciles. The general consensus was that there was not yet enough information available on which to base a ratification decision on such a matter that would have such a dramatic and irreversible impact on a large number of Eagle pilots. Because the posting requirement was not waived, the MEC could not move forward with a vote on the merits of the draft LOA. The posting requirement expires on Saturday, July 19th.



With reference to the vacancy/displacement bid process, I would ask all pilots to take note of a few important provisions: Despite the fact they will both be processed on the same day and the results posted together, the vacancy bid will be run before the displacement bid. For example, the 50 DFW ATR Captain vacancies will be filled before the company runs ATR Captain displacements from San Juan. As a result, the 27 San Juan Captain displacements currently forecast may be significantly less than 27 if a number of San Juan ATR Captains vacancy bid out of San Juan ATR Captain during the vacancy bid. As soon as the vacancy bid is concluded, the company will reevaluate the number of displacements necessary in light of the vacancy results before processing the displacements.



Continuing with our earlier example, let’s suppose that the 27 San Juan ATR Captain displacements are now adjusted to 17 San Juan ATR Captain displacements as a result of 10 San Juan ATR Captains vacancy bidding out of SJU. The company will then look at the resultant list of San Juan ATR Captains and will identify the 17 junior San Juan ATR Captains subject to displacement. If a more senior San Juan ATR Captain has submitted a proffer to displace that would require training if awarded, the proffering pilot will be required to use the seniority of the most senior pilot subject to displacement (i.e. the most senior of the 17). On the other hand, if a more senior San Juan ATR Captain has submitted a proffer to displace that does not require training (e.g. SCA to DCA), he will use his own seniority when determining whether or not he can hold the status he is attempting to proffer in to. Let me give a practical example. Let’s suppose that the most senior of the 17 pilots subject to displacement from SCA holds seniority number 1255. If a senior San Juan ATR Captain wants to proffer to DCA, he will use his own seniority to determine whether or not he can hold DCA. If on the other hand a senior San Juan ATR Captain wants to proffer to displace to DCE, he will only be able to do so if seniority number 1255 can hold DCE. Otherwise, his proffer will be denied.



In order to alert the company that you want to proffer to displace, a pilot must submit a RF 100 PDIS. This RF mask simply alerts the company to the fact that you want to proffer to displace. But in order to record the statuses into which you wish to proffer, you must update your displacement preferences in your 3*. Let’s suppose that a San Juan ATR Captain wants to proffer to DCE. If he is not awarded his proffer of DCE, he wants to stay in SCA. If though, he is involuntarily displaced from SCA and he cannot hold DCE, he wants to go to SFA. How does the pilot alert the company that he only wants to proffer to DCE and that the SFA in his displacement preference is not a request to proffer but a preference in the event he is involuntarily displaced? He does so by making DCE his first displacement preference followed by his current status of SCA, followed by his involuntary displacement preference of SFA. When the company is awarding proffers, the way they know that they have reached the end of a pilot’s proffer preferences is when they hit his current status. Anything below his current status is considered to be an involuntary displacement preference. In other words, by inserting your current status into your displacement preferences, you are indicating to the company that they have reached the end of your proffer preferences and have reached your involuntary displacement preferences.



Secondly, it is imperative that displaced pilots understand that although they will not incur a seat lock in the equipment they have displaced into (including proffer-to-displace), the vacancy bidding rules still apply. For example, a Boston Embraer Captain may think that it would be interesting to displace into Chicago Canadair for a period of time before vacancy bidding back into a northeast Embraer Captain position. But he needs to realize that under our contract, pilots may not vacancy bid from Canadair Captain to any other equipment, even if they are in the Canadair as the result of a displacement. That is because even though the Captain in this example will not incur a training freeze upon being displaced into the Canadair, the vacancy bidding prohibition still applies (See Section 15.E). Another example might be a Dallas based Canadair First Officer who thinks he can displace into an Embraer First Officer position until he can hold Canadair First Officer again. At some point, he puts in a vacancy bid for Canadair First Officer and he is denied. When he calls the union or the chief pilot to find out why his vacancy bid was denied, he finds out the under our contract, turbo-jet First Officers cannot vacancy bid into different turbo-jet equipment. Just because he was displaced into the Embraer and did not incur a training lock at that time, he is still bound by the vacancy bidding rules of the CBA.



If you have any questions about this process, please contact your local representatives or the MEC office. It is imperative that pilots take the time to fully understand the displacement and proffer to displace processes prior to a simultaneous vacancy / displacement bid, especially one of this magnitude. We will be using our blast email system to break up the contents of this letter and send out more specifics over the next two weeks.



Lastly, management is currently working on an application for long-term leaves of absence. They are also working on an appropriate removal code and other in-house issues that will take approximately one week to resolve. In the interim period, all pilots who wish to request a long-term leave of absence under the newly ratified letter of agreement should see their chief pilot and place themselves on the list of pilots who wish to participate in this program. Once the company makes available the appropriate long-term leave application, the company will be reviewing long-term leave requests. Awards will be in pilot seniority order by status.



Your MEC is continuing to work on mitigation efforts to offset the negative impact of this reduction in our flying. We encourage pilots to continue to provide input to their local representatives especially those in the northeast where we are still working to find a solution that best protects our northeast pilots without placing undo burden on one group over another. Thank you for your unwavering support and patience during this unstable and trying time.

mrmak2

Thats pretty much all of the 2008 newhires +/-

csbs13

Coldpilot

Any clue what happens to yall Saab guys when September-ish comes around, be it transition training to the ERJ/ATR, flipping burgers, etc.?

coldpilot

Whatever the results of the displacement bid hold for each one of us. One thing is for sure though, there is either a curb or a long term training event in the near future for every one of us.

Pontius Pilot

Anyone know when the preliminary results for the displacement bid are supposed to be out? I believe I heard someone say around a week after the bid opened. Anybody else heard this or am I just dreaming it?

ERJ135

2wks, I think it come out on the 28th.