Don't think thats gonna happen, w/ these ugly times... Mesa has done well to show everyone that pilots can work all but 8 days a month and lowering the bar for everyone else... asking for more in the near future...GOODLUCK... appreciate guys.

Nice attitude. I have 14 days off this month. Only reserves get 8 days off/month and there's about 10 people company wide on reserve right now(excluding the Freedom guys).

I know my dash buddies get 12-17 every month. We also do 28 day bids, not monthly schedules.

ah another basks in the glory of the life at Mesa. Enjoy! :D

That's a pretty high horse you're on there for an RJ FO.:rolleyes:

So let's look into those 'JO special' 28 day bids. From the outside looking in, its clear to see the flaws. LAMA has its perks.

Mesa reserve guys have 104 days off a year (8/month x 13 bid periods)
XJT reserve (or any other respectable airline) guys have 144 days off a year (12 /month x 12 bid periods).

That's right folks, more than AN EXTRA MONTH off each year to be with your family or to just relax. Mesa pilots tend to work an extra month each year just to make less money.

Your 13 bid periods is a smoke and mirror special that makes you think you are getting 'an extra paycheck' when in reality you are just being worked more.

The math is pretty interesting. I'd also like to see the math that figured out that Mesa only has 10 pilots on reserve system wide, paxhauler.

The bar has been lowered and with people continuing to apply to work at Mesa works against market and union forces to lift the bar back up. And JO is just standing right on that bar, weighing it down with his labor lined pockets.

Some people just don't see it. I guess Mesa love really is blind...

HAHA! The sooner that you learn to not drink JO's koolaid the better off you will be. Your CEO is a lying criminal that exploits labor.

i think ill go ahead and say it... Its definately higher than Mesa's. :p

Anybody that goes to MESA is screwing the regionals. Their last POS contract is one of the reasons why the bar has been lowered in this sector of the industry. Don't go to MESA.

Funny........#3 in JFK and I never had more than 12 days off a month. You must be JO's lovechild.

Whiz my old friend... good to see you.. how is it hanging?

Ahhh my friend Herc.........not too bad, still survivin'. Convinced the powers that be on APC that I'm not the anti-christ :p
How's the corp world treatin ya?

"Convinced the powers that be on APC that I'm not the anti-christ"

Anyone can post here. If it's within TOS, you're fine. If it's not, we (you) have a problem. The rules aren't hard to follow...

You're right. Please, everyone, take a moment to thank AirWillie personally for leaving Mesa and going to GoJets in order to help raise the bar and make things better for us all. Thank you AirWillie, you are a glimmering ray of light in an other wise dark industry.:rolleyes:

Thanks AirWillie!!

Oh please tell me that you DIDN'T go to G7 Willie

They were blinded by shiny jets. Heck, I'm surprised most of those pilots are taking any money at all ?

Sport,

I was simply pointing out facts. If you like, scroll through my posts on this site. You will find many that point out my contempt and hatred for JO.

That being said, I do my best to correct people who don't work here and paint an inacurate picture of the work conditions for myself, and my fellow pilots.

In case you didn't catch on, the 10 people on reserve line was sarcasm. It was meant to illustrate how short on people we are.

Does talking down to Mesa make you feel better about:
1) Getting furloughed?
or
2) Yourself, in general?

Bank Angle -
You'll learn soon enough that the entitlement attitude goes a long way. How long have you been a part of this industry?
Note: nwa757: the above is sarcasm.

Whiz-
Not JO's love child, just another pilot who selects a line from the bidpacket.

Eaglefly-

Aren't you a little old to be picking fights with "twenty somethings" on the internet?

Hey Pax, your wasting your breath with alot of these guys. I know alot of people that fly for Mesa and its not really as bad as people on these boards make it out to be. What really amazes me is that alot of them dont even work for Mesa but yet they know so much about the company.

I have to agree with ASTPilot. Are things here great, absolutely not, but they aren't horrible. I have been screwed a couple of times, but also have been released early or helped when the company hasn't had to help me. And, I have been helped 2-3 times more than I have been screwed.

With that said, I have heard that the Mesa cert is quite different than the Freedom cert.

.... I know sitting over there in the right seat of that Piper or Cessna it feels like the bar is about to close and you have to go home with one of the obnoxious fat girls that are left but guess what, the bar will be open again tomorrow night. And most of the pretty girls will be back and maybe your luck will be better. I know for me personally, I'd rather go home alone than go home with the fat chick, have her go crazy and tie me up in her bedroom, make me her man-kitty play thing and not be able to get out for 10 years. Places like Mesa are that fat girl. Some guys are into that. I'm not. Strange analogy, I know, but it's been concocted over too many nights spent in hotel bars and when you think about it, it works.

Cheers and good luck with your career.[/QUOTE]
I love it! Normally I would say to "go ugly early", but in this case I agree you.
Cheers and hang in there.
fbh

Close this thread already. I get so tired of listening to all of you bash Mesa pilots with your ignorant wisdom. Then when you're done, you come beg for a ride. Sniper, thanks for always posting facts.

;)I love it! Normally I would say to "go ugly early", but in this case I agree you.
Cheers and hang in there.
fbh[/QUOTE]
Well even fat girls need love!!!!!

I love it! Normally I would say to "go ugly early", but in this case I agree you.
Cheers and hang in there.
fbh[/QUOTE]

Come on FBH, everyone has had at least one chubby chaser incident. If not, you don't drink enough! :D

Whiz.... going good my friend... checkride today.....

I worked at Mesa so I know full well what its like inside that place and its as bad as some people say. You can deny it all you'd like and try your best to defend still being a part of that dump but fact of the matter is working there is not a joy.

uh, hmmm. :confused:

what the? uhmmmm

why do you keep reading this thread if you're tired of it?

Why close it? I want to read how you all can stand this place...

I mean i understand the brainwashing from ASU and that other training place in AZ where they let you fly the jet with no time really... Its the only place you can go after dropping $$$$

First off Mesa is the only place that I can go right now. Tell me who else is hiring? I have been flight instructing for over a year but I missed the big hiring spree because I was finishing my degree, something that alot of regional FO's probably dont have. So now the doors have closed everywhere. Im gonna take my chances with Mesa because its better than taking no chance at all. I know going into this that my chances of getting furloughed are very high, but at the same time if I dont get furloughed im setting my self up to be in a good position when the upswing in this industry comes back. Just out of curiosity, who made you guys the aviation gods? If you know so much about this industry and have all this wisdom why are you still a regional FO? Because I know your next post is gonna be just flight instruct or go fly 135, why dont you go do that?

Well said...go where YOU want to go with your life. Some people on these forums think they know ALL the answers...they don't. I know people that have been in the industry for 40 years and usually I'd take my advice from those guys over these forums any day. Also, I'd be doing the same thing if I were you. At least you'll have some jet time on your resume. Your regional job isn't your life long job...just a stepping stone in life. See where it takes you.

I don't mean to be harsh but you are incredibly naive. We don't claim to be the gods of aviation but you may want to heed some of the advice of those of us who HAVE worked at Mesa. Its a very poor choice and if I could have I certainly would have remained an instructor (20/20 hindsight).
As far as your question about why are we regional FO's still FO's.........did you really just ask that? I mean do you have no understanding of time building, ATP mins or airline seniority? That one just blew me away. rather insulting if I say so myself.

I know about time building and seniority its called being sarcastic, its funny that when someone says something about you its insulting all of a sudden. But when you come on here on a daily basis and insult people who are chasing the same dream that you are its totally okay.

Sarcasm....yeah I don't think so. Nice try. As far as insulting you and the others chasing the dream, if you'd open your eyes and mind and not get so wrapped around the axle when someone actually tries to give you advice based on experience, not emotion (like I have), then maybe you'd learn something. but it seems you've made up your mind no matter what experience tells you so good luck. You'll need it.

BUT, one tastes a hell of a lot better than the other. (They both still smell pretty bad). The only dream you chase at MAG is for a correct paycheck.

Like i said brainwashed out of the state of AZ... DO what you gotta do noone can obviously change that. but to you those shiny RJ's look good coming out of college but jumpin into that company is something you should ask yourself about, and dont just do it cause you can or cause its cool...

and to answer your previous questions... I would still be an FO because my number is not up yet for upgrade...if you really have to ask why i am an FO still you have some learning to do... You dont make captain by experience, knowledge, or any of that... if you have ATP mins when your number comes up... do some studying and you upgrade.. youll learn this when you get in big guy.

I dont want to go back to instructing but i still have renewed my CFI for backup of course. I think youre assuming im very new to ask why i dont just go back to instructing...i have some time in and got in where im at, at a good time, i'm safe (for now) but never feeling safe. i taught at a good airline academy and built a lot of time. my life story isnt the point though and im not a regional god of knowledge, but everyone here has learned a lil bit about whats going on and we are trying to pass that on. If you havent figured out mesa by now and their effects on this industry (along with a few others) then youre in for a good one and be prepared...

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I have to say that I am very happy I quit instructing to come to Mesa. I have more days off and I am making way more money, I also don't have nearly the amount of stress that is involved in sending off students on solos and hoping that don't come back with a number from the FAA for me to call, or signing off for checkrides and hoping they don't screw something up that they have done perfect fifty times before. Say what you want about Mesa but I have had a descent experience and I am happy to come to work and do something I love. When I was at UND everyone wanted Air Wisky or Horizon. Many of those people that went there will soon be furloughed. Oh and a couple of my flight instructors went to Skyway. Then when I started flight instructing everyone I worked with wanted to go to XJT or Republic. Many of them were going to those places when I came to Mesa and they are now being furloughed. I still have my job, how secure who knows. I have been getting 11 or 12 days off per bid and I have never had to sleep anywhere except a hotel room while working for Mesa, so you can all quit spewing that crap. Regionals are about one thing: gaining experience and moving on. My regional is better than your regional is stupid. They are all crap shoots and todays " top tier" is tomorrows bankrupt. I've worked Mcdonalds, retail, busted my back daily working construction. I am really happy to have the job I have and I think a little perspective can do wonders. We fly airplanes and get paid to do so. Maybe I am short sided and bringing down the industry but I am happy and my bills get paid so whatever.

Thats great man. If you feel your experience has been tolerable then thats good. I felt that way until I investigated a "top tier" regional, made the jump and now that I have perspective I can see how much better ANY other regional is. I've managed to avoid furlough (for now) and I am 110% glad I left. If all you have to compare Mesa to is some stressbox instructing job then yes, its better. BUT, understand there is a whole new world out there outside of Mesa and its lightyears better.

And the door is shut, locked, and deadbolted for a while.... Quit bashing people who are trying to make the best of a bad situation when no one is hiring. Does it really affect you? no... So what do you care if someone goes to a "bottom feeder"? Too many people say "its not about the size of the plane, yada yada yada".. but we didnt get into this industry to flight instruct in a 172... MOST places (not all) you cant make a living flight instructing. I work full time (probably 50 hours a week), and am still below the poverty line... ANY regional is better than what im doing right now, and a lot of instructors are in the same boat.

Get this thread back on track and quit bashing those who are trying to better themselves by moving up (no matter how small the move up may be)....

I used to feel the same way. But after 2.5 years in this crazy business I have come to the realization that I would fly around in a 152 dressed like Ronald McDonald if it payed $170K/year, full benefits (including travel) and I could be home every night.

Ok I will definitely give you that... Hell id instruct in a gorilla suit for 170k... but making about 3-600 every two weeks and no travel benefits and a grand total of 7-8 days off a month is definitely not worth it... and thats working more than full time! PLEASE tell me im nuts for wanting ANYTHING better...

Dude relax. Going to a bottom feeder is NOT ok "just to get in to the industry". I did it and I regret doing it for a myriad of reasons. Keep furthering the race to the bottom. You'll do great at GoJet. Educate yourself before you decide to lash out and those who have experience and are trying to help those that don't.