What's the latest with ASA?
 

I heard there is supposed to be a big announcement soon.

Anyone heard anything?

And where'd you hear that from?

It's been going around the last couple of days. I have heard this from several different people.

No one seems to know what it is specifically, but last week I heard from a couple of people that the new fall schedule is going to be very light and that they will be parking planes.

25 is a number I have heard. Plus the atr's and you have a hugh loss at ASA. But hey, Pinnacle gets to keep their flying.

I love the "big announcement" rumor. As if there was an importune moment to break news. And why would the tell you they were going to make an announcement? I'm just waiting for the big announcement that there is going to be a big announcement soon.:eek:

My favorite one was the "Brad came into our recurrent groundschool class and said we should know if we're getting some united flying soon" that I heard on the crew bus...

...yeah, cause United is growing like a damn weed!

It's not that United is expanding, it's that they want to give the boot to a certain Express carrier, so they need someone to take over the flying.

We need a new base...particularly an LAX base again or Salt Lake! That would definitely ease the pain a bit for my commute! I'm just wishful thinking of course, but damn...it would be sweet!

I was in a class where SH talked about United flying most likely out of IAD.
Seemed like they were really trying to get some of this flying. He did say that there would be no crewbase there. I found that odd. Anyway l, I highly doubt ASA will be getting any of that flying anyhow.

Yes, that Diet Dr. Pepper does in fact taste more like regular Dr. Pepper.

The hell it does :p

Well, at least my statement is substantiated by research and QA. That's more than can be said about the initial intent and statement of this thread.

I thought it was self explanatory, I guess not.

Anyone heard anything? In other words, has anyone heard what this announcement MIGHT be?

Delta announced the other day that they were looking to dump 100 CRJ's.
So the "parking airplanes" rumor is more than likely true.

I would assume that this may be the big announcement, but who knows.

I was Just wondering what all the others at ASA has been hearing.

Was it 100 CRJs or just 100 RJs in general?

My bad, it was just RJ's in general.

Wow...that's a lot of planes. I wonder what the breakdown would be if this is true. We already know of Comair's 14 CRJs, the XJet ERJs, and the CHQ -135s, plus whatever happens with the whole Freedom thing...

Lots of people, especially those in the training department, are pushing the rumor of us getting United flying out of D.C. due to Mesa and we'll need something like 32 airplanes and 150 pilots to cover it. On the other hand, Orlando flying sounds like it will be coming to a stop in the fall (with an avg of 8-12 pax on those legs, I believe it) and add to that we are losing 12 ATRs and have 3 wrecked airframes. That's 150 more pilots than we currently need. Sounds like it is really a flip of the coin, and worrying about it won't do any good.

Well I was in for my LOFT this week and an IP told me he had talked to SH and he said they were no plans to furlough and that we'd rather sit with with extra pilots just in case we get some extra flying down the road. Plus we have a no furlough clause in our contract anyways.

We may not furlough, but there may be downgrades and paycuts in the form of those downgrades, lineholders blocking 90+ going to reserve (75 hr guarantee) and much lower line values, probably closer to 75 hrs each. There will be a ton of people on reserve (150+), covering less flying. (Great if you don't want to fly much)

Better than anyone losing their jobs. Look for upgrades back to the 5-6 year range.

Why are you so negative

Why is it being freakin negative?!?!?!?

It is a fact of where we are and what is going on in this industry! Do you read the news? Start with the AJC. Delta execs have said they are shedding 100 RJ's this fall! Even spread evenly over ASA, Skywest, Comair, and Repub/CHQ that is a lot of planes! 20 or so each. Why do people feel ASA will make out any better than the others?????

Look industry wide! Eagle, Express Jet, Air Wisc, TSA, PSA, Comair to name a few have all announced large furlough numbers! Why is it negative to expect something similar at ASA. (Even though I said we may not furlough)
Every Major is now bleeding money again, and downsizing. Bankrupcy's may be looming for many. Am I making this stuff up. I know, some may not want to hear it, but sorry, get your head out of the sand. Tough times are ahead! This is going to be a major downturn in the airlines. With that comes stagnation, lack of attrition which in turn leads to long upgrades, etc....

Maybe I should just ignore all of the obvious facts and state 'hey, it's all great! No worries! I think lots of growth is coming...........It's rediculous! Any way, the poster asked whats the latest with ASA. Thats my opinion, based on what I see and what I have heard. The Union is even putting out info that we will be cut big time in the fall. I have personally heard about 20-25 planes less flying.

BTW......where is all that growth that was coming our way, "as soon as we sign the contract?" Thats all everyone was saying last year......90 seaters coming as soon as we sign. New bases for sure, right! Where did all that rosey talk get you. It's the difference between being a dreamer and actually looking at the industry, the economy and listening to what your parent company is saying.

Show me a positive sign, and I'll be positive.

PS...I'm already going from a line-holder, back to reserve......and we haven't even lost flying yet!!! That is about a $1500/month paycut (Which is SIZABLE!!!!) between 90+ hours back to min guarantee! With downsizing in our schedules coming and no growth or attition to speak of, it's probably going to take a year or more to see another line, so I am already feeling it.

I was about to say the same thing. Evidently he has been in the industry since the first flight and has been though all the ups and the downs. The Nostradamus of aviation. Try looking at the glass full for once. Maybe something good will happen. The foreseeable future of aviation is no further than tomorrow. Any furthur than that, well we can only hope all those people pushing for a better industry will do so. I've already seen improvements. Things at ASA have only gotten better.

Ok guys.....

Where are the 100 RJ's coming out of DCI coming from?

What is your opinion? Who is going to feel the pain in the fall? Only Comair? Freedom? They fly 30....that leaves 70 more. Let me hear where you think they are coming from, if not ASA, because things are going so great here! Yes, things are working better here. BH and the new style management is going great. But - come fall, things are going to change. 100 RJ's are going away. That is a fact! You don't need Wilbur and Orville to tell you that. Richard Anderson says it fine. There is also a merger, with the whole goal of being to reduce capacity......and the retirement of the ATR, with no replacement coming. Did you see the displacement bid?

Instead of slamming my opinion, which I try to base on facts, offer an idea on what you think is happening and use some facts to base it on.

How is that negative. I think its positive. Not getting furloghed and making guarantee to chill out and have another job... you can make a ton of money if you never have to fly and get another gig going. 150 pilots on reserve would be much better than making exactly $0 per month and being in a similar situation.

How can anyone look at the industry today and think "the glass is half full"? I sit around for weeks on reserve without flying now, what's it gonna be like in the fall? And if things get really bad, the no furlough clause only applies to people who's names were on the seniority list when the contract was signed. I'm glad to be at ASA, and I think we have good leadership, but we're far from immune to all the negativity in the industry right now.

While I would like to think the glass is half full, look around at what is happening to everyone else. The company says that they want to keep us all which is great news, especially for the ones at the bottom (me included). The painful truth is, that could change in an instant. For example my furlough letter from Big Sky Airlines still had our CEO's favorite saying, "You'll like where we're going!," as they were closing the doors and liquidating the company. I would like to believe all is well and we will come out of this unscathed, but deep down I feel bad news coming.

Add 17 135s from CHQ. They come offline Sept. 30.

This pretty much sums it up. We know the 100 RJ's thing this true. Every DCI carrier has had the fall schedule. The news at comair is just coming out before ASA's. Plus is doesn't help our cause when we are piling up planes which caused over 100 CX flights.

What ASA is doing right now is hoping another regional will close up shop, that I can almost guarantee.

is anyone else truly evaluating how pathetic this thread has become? The lack of info on a big announcement now has people arguing as to who is more negative about the industry. Bottom line enjoy it while it lasts, if things improve then its great for ASA but if they dont, what does b*tching on APC really accomplish?

"But brad said this, but oh this RJ FO told me this when i was on the jumpseat, yeah but i heard from the van driver that..."

Look at more porn, ***** on APC less

HA! Quote of the week!

Um............Thats what message boards are for, right. People discuss what they hear is going on, and then give an opinion on it. You certainly are not required to read them or post.

People can say whatever they want on a public forum. Thanks for your opinion though.

Hey man, I like you better as a pessimist:D. It's much more fun listening to your type whine!

You should be grateful:

Grateful that you are at an airline that hasn't announced furloughs;
Grateful that you are at an airline that has a no furlough contract;
Grateful that you were able to upgrade before the music stopped;
Grateful that you are at an airline that is bidding on extra flying;
Grateful that you have a pilot friendly CEO;
Grateful that you are not on the bottom of anyone's seniority list;
Grateful that you don't have a wife and kids to feed and no job to do so;
Grateful that you aren't on furlough, or just plain out of a job;

Yes these are all positive things about which you should be positive!

Ah the tea leaves....yes, the tea leaves they show a big downslope from left to right....ah yes there it is. I definately see a downgrade in your future. Wait, there's something to be positive about. After all, as a senior FO you'll once again be able to get your first pick on lines each month. Again, something to be positive about!;)

Thanks for straightening me out!!!!

I have a new lease on life!

"I was once sad because I had no shoes until I met a man that had no feet"

Hi Folks,

I'm new to the forum... Currently, I'm swimming in the ASA hiring pool. Anyone care to share any scuttlebutt about ASA's economic/hiring situation? I wish the company would provide us with an information webpage to check in with.

I'll not present scuttlebutt or rumors.. but I can state facts. We're offering leaves of absence to anyone who wants them.. started at flight crews only; today the memo went out to the whole company that early retirements and leaves of absence are available company-wide.

::tightens the belt a notch::

ASA will be the launch customer for the CSeries and southwest will buy us up as SOUTHWEST EXPRESS !

( Clearly kidding yo )

Here's the scuttlebutt: No hiring until we get more planes. Can't lost a fleet of aircraft with the same number of pilots then hire more! We're already really fat on pilots and will remain that way until we somehow fly out current fleet at 150% (obviously impossible), lose alot of pilots to other jobs (not happening for a long time), or get more equipment. Until then, I'd keep swimming.

[quote=Banshee365;447947]Here's the scuttlebutt: No hiring until we get more planes. Can't lost a fleet of aircraft with the same number of pilots then hire more! We're already really fat on pilots and will remain that way until we somehow fly out current fleet at 150% (obviously impossible), lose alot of pilots to other jobs (not happening for a long time), or get more equipment. Until then, I'd keep swimming.[/quote


Thanks for the input, Banshee365. I've got other irons in the fire that need tending to..:cool:

Hi!

I'm surprised a steady stream of pilots aren't leaving ASA for better jobs. They are at Pinnacle, and I talked to a Compass guy who said they also have a constant number of guys leaving for Asia.

Maybe ASA is better than the above, so hardly anyone is leaving.

cliff
YIP

I've been flying 30hrs max for the last 2 months on reserve and there are about 100 guys/gals behind me. You could say we are "a little fat". Could be a h*ll of a lot worse though........