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Viper25 07-21-2008 06:47 PM

Lax-oxr
 
Why does this flight exist? Especially for $500. I recently took this 8 minute flight and wondered about how driving would be 20 times cheaper and why such a flight exists.

Anybody know?

atlmsl 07-21-2008 06:53 PM

If you want to go to SEA, I'd rather leave out of OXR with cheaper parking and easier security and connect in LAX than drive through LA and deal with LAX pre-security. If the price isn't much more then it's worth it. There are a lot of flights of that length to hubs across the country.

BHopper88 07-21-2008 07:08 PM

my fav is the detroit to Flint, Toledo, or Lansing. Does Comair still fly a CVG to DAY?

Red Forman 07-21-2008 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by BHopper88 (Post 430576)
my fav is the detroit to Flint, Toledo, or Lansing. Does Comair still fly a CVG to DAY?

We sure do, and we recently started doing it in the 900.

fjetter 07-21-2008 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by BHopper88 (Post 430576)
Does Comair still fly a CVG to DAY?

Yup. they do other whoppers of flights: CVG to SDF and CVG to LEX all are like 30 min flights.

ExperimentalAB 07-21-2008 08:05 PM

Try MKE ATW...

JetJock16 07-21-2008 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by fjetter (Post 430591)
Yup. they do other whoppers of flights: CVG to SDF and CVG to LEX all are like 30 min flights.

Same for us operating the CR9 between ATL and GSP. That's a 20 minute FLT at most. Really DAL, get some Q400's! .........................same # of PAX for 1/2 the fuel.

I know the argument about passengers and props, but with $130+/barrel oil................................come on?

JetJock16 07-21-2008 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 430611)
Try MKE ATW...

Kind of like (back in the day) LAX to SNA and ONT! I loved the ONT clearance.............SKW climb maintain 3000', turn left and intercept the 24R LOC. (For those who don’t know…….ONT to LAX is about 30 miles at most and almost exactly on the 24R LOC course)

Dash8Pilot 07-21-2008 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 430611)
Try MKE ATW...

That isn't even the worst in Milwaukee. MKE-MSN is 78 miles of 4 lane interstate. Real efficient use of a CRJ-200.:rolleyes:

SomedayRJ 07-21-2008 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Python1287 (Post 430569)
Why does this flight exist? Especially for $500. I recently took this 8 minute flight and wondered about how driving would be 20 times cheaper and why such a flight exists.

Anybody know?

The military bases (NAWS Point Mugu, NCBC Port Hueneme), among other reasons.

The OXR-LAX EM2s are actually pretty well-sold, too.

HercDriver130 07-21-2008 09:14 PM

back in the day... AE use to fly Jetstreams MIA to West Palm... like 18 minutes in the air.

atlmsl 07-21-2008 09:17 PM

ATL-MCN. 12 minutes including the departure from ATL. Takeoff, climb to 10,000, and cleared for the visual. 4 pax on board. Thanks EAS.

Left Handed 07-21-2008 09:48 PM

I beleive we (former Mesaba guy) used to do the shortest flight ever. It was from Evansville, IN to Owensboro, KY. It was blocked (off - on) at 6 minutes. In a SAAB! Literally was a parabolic arc to 2500 ft, and back down to a straight in final. The whole highspeed was from DTW to Evansville to Owensboro. You could imagine trying to get that leg done even faster to get minutes more sleep. The whole leg was blocked at something like 15 minutes.

And yes, I know some of you are thinking, could the SAAB even climb to 2500 in 6 min? Remember, it was nighttime, usually with cooler air.:D

TBucket 07-21-2008 11:18 PM

Ok, I hate to thread-jack, but I've seen the term "highspeed" on here a number of times, and the search function turns up nothing. What IS a "highspeed"? We don't have 'em at my airline...

BURflyer 07-22-2008 01:00 AM

Nobody takes the flights because they have to get to LA, they're connecting flights. Plus Oxnard/Camarillo in addition to the two NAVY bases have a pretty large population including rich folk up in the hills above Camarillo. The drive to LAX is at least an hour assuming you're going 80mph all the way.

BIGRIG 07-22-2008 02:06 AM


Originally Posted by TBucket (Post 430695)
Ok, I hate to thread-jack, but I've seen the term "highspeed" on here a number of times, and the search function turns up nothing. What IS a "highspeed"? We don't have 'em at my airline...

Stand-Up Overnight, CDO, Illegals......other terms commonly used. Last flight out, first flight in. On duty all night.

Killer51883 07-22-2008 04:59 AM

half the flying done out of CVG for CHQ is stuff like that. we do a bunch of dayton turns toledo cmh louisville. all of them are drive able with in a few hours at the most. supposedly the flights are so much cheaper out of dayton and cmh that people in cvg will book flights from dayton through cvg to where ever and then just show up at cvg and skip the first and last leg of the trips.

Roper92 07-22-2008 05:07 AM

XJT used to do IAH-HOU in the Bro and IAH-EFD in the Bro and Jet.

cessna157 07-22-2008 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 430742)
half the flying done out of CVG for CHQ is stuff like that. we do a bunch of dayton turns toledo cmh louisville. all of them are drive able with in a few hours at the most. supposedly the flights are so much cheaper out of dayton and cmh that people in cvg will book flights from dayton through cvg to where ever and then just show up at cvg and skip the first and last leg of the trips.

While your theory is correct, your execution is wrong. If you were to book DAY-CVG-HDN or HDN-CVG-DAY and show up/end your trip in CVG, you'd be re-charged as if you booked through CVG. Delta doesn't like farejumpers and reutinely penalizes for doing that. If the passenger were to fly the entire trip as booked, then they wouldn't get charged extra.


On the CVG short flight side, I'm not sure which is fast. CVG-DAY (both landing north) or CVG-LEX (both landing south). I've flown both but CVG-DAY was a south operation, so it actually took almost 20 mins. My personal record is CVG-LEX in 14 mins.

maveric311 07-22-2008 08:19 AM

AE does ORD-MKE in the Jungle Jet. takes about 20 min gate to gate. At acceloration Altitude we are on vectors to final to MKE.

OptimusClimb 07-22-2008 10:06 AM

Ya those are short flights, wonder if you even put the gear up, and the ones that are less the 50nm could we still log it as xc without an atp? better go back through my logbook.

ghilis101 07-22-2008 10:16 AM

i love those short flights as a jumpseater. i actually relied on the ORD-MKE flight to sit reserve in MKE from ORD back in the day. risky yes, but it worked out.


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