what happened in JFK tonight?
 

What happened in JFK tonight? They apparently stopped all departures out of LGA due to go arounds or simething in JFK because of an issue...

Ummm... because it's New York?

most likely Air China or Freedom they screw everything up

Beats going into ATL right about now they have GROUND STOP lol.

Im sure LGA, JFK, or EWR won't be far behind...

It's probably a rat blocking the runway or something...

What is Ground Stop?

ROFL !:DOr trying to catch a free ride .

another name for JFK.LGA, and EWR

pretty much when the airport closes due to weather or traffic no departures or arrivals

"What is an airport?"


JFK is now on a ground stop due to "other/emergency"

They must be having fun

Does that mean all of the pax are stuck inside of the planes and can't get out. Or is it that all of the people and crew are just waiting inside of the airport?

It depends...if you know early enough, you simply don't board. But if the airplane has already pushed off the gate, there may be nowhere for it to go if the gate is already occupied by another airplane.

Fastest way to get a headache:D

LOL at the Air China comment. Of course. :D

We called out on time at 759 this evening on our way to cleveland. Sat at the gate until 9pm, finally pushed. Then proceeded to taxi until ELEVEN THIRTY.

3.5 hours from door closed to wheels up

No idea what happened, i know there was a runway change involved and it POURED for a good amount of time with CBs in the area.

There was a line that ran from the departure end of 4L up Kilo and bending all the way down to the departure end of 13L.
Then another line started where B veers off and becomes P to the departure end of 13L.
Then ANOTHER line starting at N and going all the way down Q to the departure end of 13L.

Get your charts out if you don't know it, it's like SIX MILES of airplanes.

Good times, I think we were 100+ in line at the worst time.

Oh, and when we took off, there were still airplanes all the way down 13L, and on P and Q. So probably another 100+....LOOONG night in JFK.

What would've made things worse is that we almost had to go back to the gate because of an unruly passenger AND because of min fuel (we called dispatch).

Why dispatch thought 600 lbs of taxi fuel would do it is beyond me, but hey..they probably get paid more than the FOs.

hehe, no kidding. I saw an air china pull onto 28r in SFO once when they were told to hold short. caused a bunch of go arounds.

We did the VOR 13L down to mins before they switched the runway. While we were waiting for a gate...over 2 hours...I saw an AA heavy (dont know whether it was a 767 or a A300) land on 4R and all the trucks surrounded it. I dont know what happened but it tied up the runway change for awhile. Departures were stopped at one point for about 45min. It was not a good day to be in JFK. We made over 4 hours though.

I bet you break guarantee now.

Yeah, man, it's terrible. I'm sure you've seen this old video before of a CNN report on that one Air China 981 JFK ATC recording:

YouTube - ca981 cnn airchina

To be fair... that controller was not saying things the way they should have been said to a foreign aircraft struggling with instructions.

Are you kidding?

Air Kannah and the rest of the international flights bone up simple instructions there every night. I have to give it to the controllers for being as patient as they are.

Welcome to New York.

I don't think it's "to be fair." It's more like you playing devil's advocate, but having said that...how would you suggest he say things? The controller has a job to do. His job is not to provide Air China separation. It's to provide EVERYONE separation, and when you have to repeat things five times.....we have a big problem. JFK gets busy, man.

To be fair...are there even any standard ICAO phrases for what the ground controller was asking? Controllers don't usually have to ask..they do more telling. I guess he should have said "contact ramp tower on 1XX.XX?"

I heard it was because the rat from earlier in the day took a dump on the runway, and with the rain it got smeared all over the asphalt, creating a breaking action report of "NIL".

what excites me is that i'm going into lga today at the same time the TAF is saying thunderstorms. but what better way to try and break gurantee then to be sitting on a taxiway...

Thats funny...I always thought ground stops were the fastest way to make some overs:D

To be fair if your behind the controls of an 800,000lb aircraft you need to completely understand the international language of aviation.....ENGLISH. I cant tell you how many times I've heard them and other foreign airlines at JFK botch instructions both on the ground and in the air because their English was marginal. Yes we all screw up instructions now and again but its chronic with some of those carriers.
Oh and remember last year when that Air China 74 and the Delta 76 had a little collision on the ramp at JFK? It ripped the winglet off the left wing of the 74 and torqued the end of the wing under in a curl with just hanging shards of metal. They flew that thing back and forth between China and the US for a week like that before it was finally grounded.

That's why they all park at the Idiot terminal (aka International Terminal) :D

This happened again between an AirChina 74 and a Freedom E145 a few weeks ago.

Except that is not how it works in JFK. You have to stay on ground till the ramp clears you in (you should be talking to ramp on the other radio)...since most of the ramps are dead-ends (only one way in and out) and they down want you blocking A or B taxi ways for more than a minute or so. If the ramp is blocked ground will move you someplace where your not in the way.

I heard that recorded exchange take place...we were cracking up

lol. Looks like a translation error when that Chinese pilot was talking about how ATC didn't follow "RKO" terminology. Ironic.

Is the requirement to contact ramp before getting to the ramp posted on the charts, atis, whatever, or is it just "tribal" knowledge? I've never flown into or out of JFK.

Man, it's gonna suck when China takes over the world and we all have to learn Mandarin.

You usually call ramp on the ground to check the status of your gate. You fly in there a few times and you KNOW that ground is going to ask you the status of your gate, it's best to be prepared. But no, it's not written anywhere.

There are a lot of JFnKisms that you just pick up and do after flying in and out of there for a while.

Its like that in LGA too. As soon as we hit the deck, capt has ground, I'm checking on the gate gettting cleared in.

Do the Air China pilots get the walk of shame evil eye from other airline pilots and crew 24-7 since they make these repetitive problems?

I'm surprised they can't follow directions from the controller, but I guess I shouldn't be since they have trouble driving cars.

No, that was us!:rolleyes: ASIG bought us brand spanken new CRJ-900 L/H elevator, because they don't like to use wing walkers.

Nah, we are all to busy looking at the Air China FA's...just one more reason to go work over seas.

No. We usually don't see them.

What's wrong with American FA's? 70% of them will give you warmth in the winter and shade in the summer.