Who said ASA has nothing about Furlough in the contract???
 

Now i know absolutely nothing official has been said about furloughing at ASA. But it has crossed my mind a couple times lately, and a couple people have said on these boards that there is nothing about Furlough written in our current contract. :confused:

Please correct me if that was never said, but section 23 is aptly titled Furlough & Recall. Section 23 has plenty of literature on Furloughing in inverse seniority order, recall, and related matters.

You are correct. ASA's contract does have a lot to say about furlough. I think that what a lot of people are referring to is that a number of the people likely to be affected by a furlough would not be covered by the No Furlough clause, as it only applied to those on the seniority list at the time of contract signing (November).

The “NO” furlough clause? Is this a clause saying that they can’t be furloughed? Now that makes absolutely no sense……………………if a company needs to lay off employees in order to survive I highly doubt a contract that restricts Mgmnt hands that much will ever hold up.

Explain.........?

Is ASA losing a lot of the redeemed Freedom MCO flying?

A la Comair JFK stuff?

Wheres the No Furlough clause?

ASA does indeed have a "no furlough" clause in our contract. It states that no one on the seniority list on the date of signing may be furloughed except for a specific list of circumstances like war, the company getting shut down by the FAA, etc. There are about +/- 150 FOs who were hired after the date of signing who are not covered.

The no furlough clause is Section 1.J. You can read it here:

ASA Contract 2007

9e also has a no furlough clause.....theoretically nobody hired before May 1, 1999 can be furlughed. However in the fine print it says they can be due to issues "beyond the control of the company." Does ****ty management count as beyond their control?

If you are an ASA pilot (or just click the link in the post above) look in the contract at "Recognition and Scope", go down to "Fragmentation" and read #9 (Also referred to as Section 1.F.9). It states that:

"...the Company will not furlough any pilot whose name is on the seniority list on the effective date of this Agreement except in circumstances over which the Company has no control..."

The section then goes on to describe a number of situations that define when the Company has no control:

-A natural disaster
-Grounding of a substantial number of the Company’s aircraft by a government agency
-Reduction in flying operations because of a decrease in available fuel supply or other critical material due to either governmental action or commercial suppliers being unable to provide sufficient fuel or other critical materials for the Company’s operations
-Revocation of the Company’s operating certificate
-War emergency
-Delay in delivery of aircraft scheduled for delivery

Now, the third bullet there looks kind of fishy due to the current oil crisis. However, the section goes on further to say : The term “circumstances over
which the Company has no control” will not include the price of fuel or other
supplies, the price of aircraft, the state of the economy, the financial state of the Company, or the relative profitability or unprofitability of the Company’s then-current operations

So, in my opinion, this portion of the contracts protects people on the seniority list as of late November 2007. That's good for them, but right now doesn't do much for the rest of the people hired since then, because the contract states that the company doesn't have to offer furlough to pilots on probation; they can just fire them (AirTran...?) Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but they are allowed...

So what happens if they fuel supply dwindles because Delta doesn't want to pay for the fuel to operate all your aircraft. Does that count as a reduction in flying operations due to commercial suppliers being unable to supply sufficient fuel?

Not trying to be negative, but it just seems weird that the company would sign a contract with a no-furlough clause and have no way out of it. They had 5 years to think it up didn't they?

Mesa's DAL numbers are horrible... I cannot imagine how they will be flying for DAL come next July. They are consistently the worst performing regional in our network.