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SilverandSore 08-01-2008 02:46 PM

ASA Captain Displacements
 
Everyone was wondering about the ATR guys getting displaced and the resulting CA overage. That's been addressed now with the latest displacement notice... 8 CR7 Captains and 29 CRJ Captains.

Confused 08-01-2008 04:01 PM

think of the positive, they wont be on reserve anymore.

Whacker77 08-01-2008 05:27 PM

Any word on furloughs at ASA? I'm kind of surprised they haven't announced any yet. I thought they were immenent. It seems most other regionals have already done so. Is Delta not going to cut their flying?

RamenNoodles 08-01-2008 05:31 PM

ASA will not be furloughing.

JetJock16 08-01-2008 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by RamenNoodles (Post 437284)
ASA will not be furloughing.

Strong statement, not even I would say that SKW will not furlough, but my personal opinion is that neither will have to. I know, in detail, SKW Inc’s contact with DAL (for both ASA and SKW) and UAL and I’m certain that both will be fine. When it comes down to it, SKW & ASA are the most difficult and costly of DAL’s partners to cut, BUT only time will truly tell and don’t fool yourself………………it can happen.

USMC3197 08-01-2008 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by RamenNoodles (Post 437284)
ASA will not be furloughing.

We are not furloughing right now. 30yrs we never done it before but there is a 1st time for everything. I don't think ASA has ever had 1700 pilots at one time before. Hope the COMA lines will keep it that way. From all the e-mails it sounds like we are doing ok but as everyone says, only time will tell.

USMC3197 08-01-2008 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 437305)
Strong statement, not even I would say that SKW will not furlough, but my personal opinion is that neither will have to. I know, in detail, SKW Inc’s contact with DAL (for both ASA and SKW) and UAL and I’m certain that both will be fine. When it comes down to it, SKW & ASA are the most difficult and costly of DAL’s partners to cut, BUT only time will truly tell and don’t fool yourself………………it can happen.

I really doubt DL will ever cut SKW and ASA off. We are the heart of their regional operations. Heck, you probubly have seen the amount of flight both of us operate for DL. Both are performance numbers are good too and ASA has been a DCI only operator for about 15yrs. If we keep it up and DL cuts more regionals I think that just means more new lines for us(BOTH). After all you said we are the most costly to cut and your right about that.
Just an opinion not a statement.

bender 08-02-2008 12:52 AM

At one time Air Whiskey and ACA was the "heart" of United's regional operation.

USMC3197 08-02-2008 01:18 AM


Originally Posted by bender (Post 437393)
At one time Air Whiskey and ACA was the "heart" of United's regional operation.

That is United we are talking Delta, they are 2 different airlines, different times, different management. Not saying that it cannot happen. I just think as of now it is doubtfull. But hell... I can be totally wrong.

Whacker77 08-02-2008 06:37 AM

I'm glad to hear ASA probably isn't going to furlough. I'll take any good news I can find.

atrdriver 08-02-2008 03:10 PM

Comparing Position Notice 08-15 AT7 Displacement Bid (july 21) with Position Notice 08-16 Jet CA Displacement Bid (Aug 1), has anyone else made the following observation --

CR7 CA Max/Min increased from 190/174 to 198/188 (currently 198)
CR7 FO Max/Min increased from 190/174 to 224/198 (currently 205)
CR2 CA Max/Min increased from 480/384 to 532/441 (currently 522)
CR2 FO Max/Min increased from 480/384 to 551/441 (currently 499)

Is this a sign the company is OK with the current number of pilots, since we were overstaffed on all aircraft under the old numbers (and thus no furloughs planned)?

Or is that reading too much into the numbers? :confused:

USMC3197 08-02-2008 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 437586)
Comparing Position Notice 08-15 AT7 Displacement Bid (july 21) with Position Notice 08-16 Jet CA Displacement Bid (Aug 1), has anyone else made the following observation --

CR7 CA Max/Min increased from 190/174 to 198/188 (currently 198)
CR7 FO Max/Min increased from 190/174 to 224/198 (currently 205)
CR2 CA Max/Min increased from 480/384 to 532/441 (currently 522)
CR2 FO Max/Min increased from 480/384 to 551/441 (currently 499)

Is this a sign the company is OK with the current number of pilots, since we were overstaffed on all aircraft under the old numbers (and thus no furloughs planned)?

Or is that reading too much into the numbers? :confused:

Man I can't figure out how to read that chart also. But I THINK this may also be a bad thing because like you said that means we are overstaffed. So does this mean that we are allowing ourselfs to be overstaffed to the max and it leads to your point of no "f" OR on the flip side that we are overstaffed so don't be shocked when we "f". I don't know....... :(

CaribPilot 08-02-2008 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 437586)
Comparing Position Notice 08-15 AT7 Displacement Bid (july 21) with Position Notice 08-16 Jet CA Displacement Bid (Aug 1), has anyone else made the following observation --

CR7 CA Max/Min increased from 190/174 to 198/188 (currently 198)
CR7 FO Max/Min increased from 190/174 to 224/198 (currently 205)
CR2 CA Max/Min increased from 480/384 to 532/441 (currently 522)
CR2 FO Max/Min increased from 480/384 to 551/441 (currently 499)

Is this a sign the company is OK with the current number of pilots, since we were overstaffed on all aircraft under the old numbers (and thus no furloughs planned)?

Or is that reading too much into the numbers? :confused:

Someone please decode this chart for me, Im a little dense on such things...:confused:

JetPipeOverht 08-02-2008 05:39 PM

ex: cr2 ca max/min 480/384....Max captains are 480, min are 384...499 at present....499-480=19 going ELSEWHERE

Confused 08-02-2008 06:24 PM

No if the new max is 551 and the new min is 441 and we have 499 our number is right in the middle of the new MAX/MIN number.

CaribPilot 08-02-2008 07:10 PM

What determines these max-min numbers anyway?

USMC3197 08-02-2008 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by CaribPilot (Post 437681)
What determines these max-min numbers anyway?

People with a higher pay grade then we de. :D


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