Show us the MONEY!
 

pinnacle management better show us the money in 2 weeks!

we are making money.

Pinnacle stock up as airline sees 2Q profit - Forbes.com

for the second month in a row we have been the most ontime airline in the continental u.s.

June Airline On-Time Performance Better than Last Year,

we will be starting classes next month. we need pilots again.

we have proven that this can be a top notch company if only management would show us the money. i am afraid that if nothing comes out of our negotiations in dc and the company is till making money that the good will of the pilots here will gone for good. i personally still dont pick up open time, and i dont go the extra mile for the company. but there are a lot of people here that do. i think if things fall through this time though they will have pushed the rest of the pilots over the edge and will face a strike, that i feel confident we will get. i know everyone says dont kid yourself, you wont get released. but our situation is different. we have good reason to ask to be released, and even according to the RLA the company is bargaining in bad faith. we already had the scheduling part of the contract TA'd and the company decided to reopen it at the last meeting. that is why we are going to dc. that is why the mediator wanted someone from the national board there. the mediator was not happy about the back peddeling of the company at all and that hopefully was the final straw for him.

They've always made money. They just laugh at the union's proposals because they know the pilot's aren't going to step up..it's just a stepping stone job right?

**** since you have no idea what you're talking about

actually, by his statement, he knows a lot more then you think............

While I think that a 99% strike vote is definitely "stepping up," one could also argue that some of that profit was from excellent performance and thus a reduction of financial penalties from NWA...so in effect, by not doing an ASA type slowdown, we kinda helped the company out...if they prove me wrong and help us out in return in August I'll be shocked, but I keep a slight glimmer of hope lest I end up being wrong on something one day.

On another note, it was mentioned in another thread that poolies are possibly getting Sept. class dates, and our financial numbers were good, so if we're hiring, making money, and performing excellently, then GIVE US A *($*#($*#*$(#*$*@#($ CONTRACT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God I'm sick of seeing Colgan Qs at various airports around the country that are losing money knowing full well the money that paid (and pays) for those planes should have gone towards retro pay and a new contract for the 9E pilots that made it possible.

It's like your ex-wife cheated on you with your best friend, got all your stuff in divorce court, and then gave all your stuff to your best friend, who then breaks all your stuff.

Kind of like Ricky Bobby's ex wife in Talladega Nights...from now on I'm calling the non-ALPA Colgan pilots the "Magic Men"...and us 9E folks, we're just like Ricky Bobby staying at Grandma's trying to survive.

this is exactly what i am talking about. the company was mad at us for sick calls, delayed flights, etc etc. we had one of the worst on time records, we were supposedly about to lose the delta flying and were getting hit with performance penalties by nwa. i feel now though that they know they need the pilots to be on their side or they wont get anywhere. so in essence in 6 months we have shown them what it is like when we aern't team players and what the airline is like when the pilots are being team players. its their choice and with a 99 percent vote this place could be a ghost town in a few days without us.

Your idea is naive at best if you think that if PNCL Corp had not purchased Colgan and the Q's you would be sitting on an industry leading contract.

Time for people to step up! time for Colgan pilots to step up and put a union in and time for PNCL pilots to hit Uncle Phil where it hurts, his pocket book.

Since you like analogies so much here is one for you. You theory is that of a kid wanting his Daddy's love. "Maybe if I try harder and make Daddy more money he will love me with a new contract."

This is business, if you want it then do what it takes to get it...attack them where it hurts$$$

Flatspin has it right
would you pay the pilots??? you guys do such a great job for nothing....heck I wouldn't pay you either. You MUST give them a reason to pay you. if you think they will reward you in fairness.....you are kidding yourself.

nobody said anything about fairness. this company just 4 months ago was cancelling and delaying LOTS of flights. they actually came out and blamed the pilots for the slow downs and sick calls. they came out with new memos, new yellow pages, etc etc. whether it was a coordinated effort or not they got the picture about how bad this place can be when they dont have the pilots on their side. they missed out on bonuses, had to pay millions to nwa in fees, and "almost" lost the delta contract. now we have shown them what it is like with the pilots on their side. come aug 25 they will have to choose which way they want to take this airline...

Finally, I'll get parked first!!!

XJ:
FlightStats - (XJ) Mesaba Aviation Historical Ontime Performance Rating

9E:
FlightStats - (9E) Pinnacle Airlines Historical Ontime Performance Rating


Well done fellow RedTail!!!

Nowhere in my post do I see where I said we would have an industry leading contract if Colgan hadn't been purchased...no idea where you got that idea.

I was simply venting that the Qs were paid for with cash flow generated by the 9E pilot group's performance, while the company was saying they didn't have the money to give us better pay or retro check...and how sad it is that those Qs are losing money for the company while we still churn out the #2 performance rating in the US on the 9E side. Those Qs=the extra amount of money 9E pilots should have on their paychecks every month. I don't see how anyone can argue with that. And that was all I was saying.

You're twisting my words and trying to make it sound like I'm blaming colgan for us not having a contract. Although if we had never bought Colgan the company we have even more money and even fewer excuses to not give us a raise.

They are right. Why would your management team sign a contract when yall are performing so well under the old one. They have zero incentive to sign a new expensive contract because you guys are working so hard to be on time under the old one. They love this and as a result dont expect shat for a new contract until, as mentioned before, some sick outs write ups and basically a complete attack on your numbers takes place.

The Qs are not losing money. They are making money, it's the Saabs that are losing money.

Do you understand how stupid this claim sounds? the company owes YOU money cause you did a good job? in a perfect world yes, but this is big corporate business... do you think Time warner employees cried when they used their earnings to buy AOL in one of the biggest buyouts in history? no because thats how business works.. you make the money, they invest it to help grow the company as they see fit... And no im not attacking you but its not money you are entitled to.. sure a bonus or a raise would be great, but in this day and age its not going to happen....

Wow, this is all sounding eerily familiar. Between 2001-2004 Mesaba pilots dealt with 9/11, multiple rounds of furloughs, BigSky, a shrinking fleet, a 30 day cooling off period and being shut down for 48 hours after the strike deadline. What's my point? The vast majority of the contract was negotiated and signed in those 48 hours the company was on "virtual strike."

Throughout that entire time span of negotiations Mesaba pilots helped turn in great ontime performance, a continued top notch safety environment and showed up to work so as not to cause any sort of illegal job action suspicions. Bottom line is that we took the high road. It paid off in a certain way, but at the end of the day the company wasn't going to do their part in getting a TA until THEY HAD TO. And rightfully so... if I didn't have to settle and give everyone raises and increase my costs possibly hurting my profits and bonusses... why would I until I absolutely had to? It's a game and it's not unique to Pinnacle. It's hard not to, but you can't take it personally. It's apart of the way the game is played. It's definitely hard to watch other airlines grow at your expense, it too is apart of the game.

As for the ontime performance... that's awesome. But let's be fair with all the claims of 2nd best in the nation amongst all airlines. You're 2nd bed amongst all the airlines that report their status. There are still a lot of airlines that don't report, who do a great job.

This is "La La" land thinking. If PNCL corp had not bought Colgan and the Q's you would not have more money, Uncle Phil and his boys would. They will never give you a raise if you continue to do well under your current contract, why would they?

Slowdowns and sickouts are the way.

And you are indirectly blaming Colgan for not having a contract. That if Colgan was not purchased there would be extra money and "fewer excuses to no give us a raise."

lol, also all of your planes have acars so we cant fudge our numbers like others.

Like closing the door and replacing the parking brake? It is too easy to cheat with ACARS.

I agree.. but lets not get ahead of ourselves.. doing LAN, LEX, CRW, FNT, TVC, FWA, DAY, EVV, etc turns all day is some pretty easy flying.

ah but when you are late you are late. no amount of parking brake or door fanagaling will get that clock back. its not easy to cheat with acars.

yeah it is, zero it out

OMG, is this thread going to turn into a thread about how ACARS airlines have skewed ontime performance? Saabs don't have ACARS but send the times electronically with no way to manipulate. Mesaba still turns in some of the best OT performance out there. I know it's easy to say that airlines that don't have hubs in the east coast corridor are in a different league for OT performance. Maybe it just boils down to a good operation? Even in the brutal winters that DTW and MSP have, NWA and their Airlinks still put up some great OT stats. No matter which way you look at it, the whole operation contributes to the OT performance of an airline.

cant do that on our acars.. not that it matters anyway.

At this point in the game it is good for us to continue with industry leading performance numbers. We all know that the company will drag their feet as long as possible, so its clear we shouldn't worry about proving our worth to the company. The reason why we need to continue with industry leading performance is to show the mediator that industry leading pilots deserve an industry leading contract!!! IF we had no chance of getting released by the NMB the best way to a contract might be different, but at this stage of the game its our best bargaining chip at the table in DC on the 25th.

exactly. this is what i am talking about, thankyou. like i said they better show us the money at the end of the month or there will be no reason to continue this type of performance.

Why are we getting into a p!ssing match over On Time numbers? Does it really matter?

9E pilots are not going to get a contract any time soon. We are in a damned if we do, damned if we dont situation. If we keep our numbers high, we look good as a group and can have that going for us at the table.
If we could ever get a decent "safety campaign" going we could force the company's hand. But do you really think Phil and Clive care? They have already made their millions. Pinnacle is their pet project, if it tanks, so what? They have made their money.

Exactly... that's why I keep saying they won't settle until THEY HAVE TO. Right now there is no incentive to do so.

You are absolutely right, the company won't settle till the Mediator releases us. We have a better chance of getting released with industry leading performance than being the worst...

With the current leadership in the NMB, you don't have a chance of being released at all.

Which is very soon subject to change...