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Old 08-07-2008, 12:20 PM
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pinnacle management better show us the money in 2 weeks!

we are making money.

Pinnacle stock up as airline sees 2Q profit - Forbes.com

for the second month in a row we have been the most ontime airline in the continental u.s.

June Airline On-Time Performance Better than Last Year,

we will be starting classes next month. we need pilots again.

we have proven that this can be a top notch company if only management would show us the money. i am afraid that if nothing comes out of our negotiations in dc and the company is till making money that the good will of the pilots here will gone for good. i personally still dont pick up open time, and i dont go the extra mile for the company. but there are a lot of people here that do. i think if things fall through this time though they will have pushed the rest of the pilots over the edge and will face a strike, that i feel confident we will get. i know everyone says dont kid yourself, you wont get released. but our situation is different. we have good reason to ask to be released, and even according to the RLA the company is bargaining in bad faith. we already had the scheduling part of the contract TA'd and the company decided to reopen it at the last meeting. that is why we are going to dc. that is why the mediator wanted someone from the national board there. the mediator was not happy about the back peddeling of the company at all and that hopefully was the final straw for him.
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Old 08-07-2008, 12:38 PM
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They've always made money. They just laugh at the union's proposals because they know the pilot's aren't going to step up..it's just a stepping stone job right?
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Old 08-07-2008, 12:41 PM
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They've always made money. They just laugh at the union's proposals because they know the pilot's aren't going to step up..it's just a stepping stone job right?
**** since you have no idea what you're talking about
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Old 08-07-2008, 12:50 PM
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**** since you have no idea what you're talking about
actually, by his statement, he knows a lot more then you think............
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:47 PM
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While I think that a 99% strike vote is definitely "stepping up," one could also argue that some of that profit was from excellent performance and thus a reduction of financial penalties from NWA...so in effect, by not doing an ASA type slowdown, we kinda helped the company out...if they prove me wrong and help us out in return in August I'll be shocked, but I keep a slight glimmer of hope lest I end up being wrong on something one day.

On another note, it was mentioned in another thread that poolies are possibly getting Sept. class dates, and our financial numbers were good, so if we're hiring, making money, and performing excellently, then GIVE US A *($*#($*#*$(#*$*@#($ CONTRACT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God I'm sick of seeing Colgan Qs at various airports around the country that are losing money knowing full well the money that paid (and pays) for those planes should have gone towards retro pay and a new contract for the 9E pilots that made it possible.

It's like your ex-wife cheated on you with your best friend, got all your stuff in divorce court, and then gave all your stuff to your best friend, who then breaks all your stuff.

Kind of like Ricky Bobby's ex wife in Talladega Nights...from now on I'm calling the non-ALPA Colgan pilots the "Magic Men"...and us 9E folks, we're just like Ricky Bobby staying at Grandma's trying to survive.
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:14 PM
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On another note, it was mentioned in another thread that poolies are possibly getting Sept. class dates, and our financial numbers were good, so if we're hiring, making money, and performing excellently, then GIVE US A *($*#($*#*$(#*$*@#($ CONTRACT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is exactly what i am talking about. the company was mad at us for sick calls, delayed flights, etc etc. we had one of the worst on time records, we were supposedly about to lose the delta flying and were getting hit with performance penalties by nwa. i feel now though that they know they need the pilots to be on their side or they wont get anywhere. so in essence in 6 months we have shown them what it is like when we aern't team players and what the airline is like when the pilots are being team players. its their choice and with a 99 percent vote this place could be a ghost town in a few days without us.
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Old 08-07-2008, 05:22 PM
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God I'm sick of seeing Colgan Qs at various airports around the country that are losing money knowing full well the money that paid (and pays) for those planes should have gone towards retro pay and a new contract for the 9E pilots that made it possible.

Kind of like Ricky Bobby's ex wife in Talladega Nights...from now on I'm calling the non-ALPA Colgan pilots the "Magic Men"...and us 9E folks, we're just like Ricky Bobby staying at Grandma's trying to survive.

Your idea is naive at best if you think that if PNCL Corp had not purchased Colgan and the Q's you would be sitting on an industry leading contract.

Time for people to step up! time for Colgan pilots to step up and put a union in and time for PNCL pilots to hit Uncle Phil where it hurts, his pocket book.

Since you like analogies so much here is one for you. You theory is that of a kid wanting his Daddy's love. "Maybe if I try harder and make Daddy more money he will love me with a new contract."

This is business, if you want it then do what it takes to get it...attack them where it hurts$$$
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Old 08-07-2008, 05:59 PM
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Flatspin has it right
would you pay the pilots??? you guys do such a great job for nothing....heck I wouldn't pay you either. You MUST give them a reason to pay you. if you think they will reward you in fairness.....you are kidding yourself.
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Old 08-07-2008, 06:35 PM
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Flatspin has it right
would you pay the pilots??? you guys do such a great job for nothing....heck I wouldn't pay you either. You MUST give them a reason to pay you. if you think they will reward you in fairness.....you are kidding yourself.
nobody said anything about fairness. this company just 4 months ago was cancelling and delaying LOTS of flights. they actually came out and blamed the pilots for the slow downs and sick calls. they came out with new memos, new yellow pages, etc etc. whether it was a coordinated effort or not they got the picture about how bad this place can be when they dont have the pilots on their side. they missed out on bonuses, had to pay millions to nwa in fees, and "almost" lost the delta contract. now we have shown them what it is like with the pilots on their side. come aug 25 they will have to choose which way they want to take this airline...
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Finally, I'll get parked first!!!
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