XJ:
FlightStats - (XJ) Mesaba Aviation Historical Ontime Performance Rating

9E:
FlightStats - (9E) Pinnacle Airlines Historical Ontime Performance Rating


Well done fellow RedTail!!!

 

Nowhere in my post do I see where I said we would have an industry leading contract if Colgan hadn't been purchased...no idea where you got that idea.

I was simply venting that the Qs were paid for with cash flow generated by the 9E pilot group's performance, while the company was saying they didn't have the money to give us better pay or retro check...and how sad it is that those Qs are losing money for the company while we still churn out the #2 performance rating in the US on the 9E side. Those Qs=the extra amount of money 9E pilots should have on their paychecks every month. I don't see how anyone can argue with that. And that was all I was saying.

You're twisting my words and trying to make it sound like I'm blaming colgan for us not having a contract. Although if we had never bought Colgan the company we have even more money and even fewer excuses to not give us a raise.

 

They are right. Why would your management team sign a contract when yall are performing so well under the old one. They have zero incentive to sign a new expensive contract because you guys are working so hard to be on time under the old one. They love this and as a result dont expect shat for a new contract until, as mentioned before, some sick outs write ups and basically a complete attack on your numbers takes place.

 

The Qs are not losing money. They are making money, it's the Saabs that are losing money.

 

Do you understand how stupid this claim sounds? the company owes YOU money cause you did a good job? in a perfect world yes, but this is big corporate business... do you think Time warner employees cried when they used their earnings to buy AOL in one of the biggest buyouts in history? no because thats how business works.. you make the money, they invest it to help grow the company as they see fit... And no im not attacking you but its not money you are entitled to.. sure a bonus or a raise would be great, but in this day and age its not going to happen....

 

Wow, this is all sounding eerily familiar. Between 2001-2004 Mesaba pilots dealt with 9/11, multiple rounds of furloughs, BigSky, a shrinking fleet, a 30 day cooling off period and being shut down for 48 hours after the strike deadline. What's my point? The vast majority of the contract was negotiated and signed in those 48 hours the company was on "virtual strike."

Throughout that entire time span of negotiations Mesaba pilots helped turn in great ontime performance, a continued top notch safety environment and showed up to work so as not to cause any sort of illegal job action suspicions. Bottom line is that we took the high road. It paid off in a certain way, but at the end of the day the company wasn't going to do their part in getting a TA until THEY HAD TO. And rightfully so... if I didn't have to settle and give everyone raises and increase my costs possibly hurting my profits and bonusses... why would I until I absolutely had to? It's a game and it's not unique to Pinnacle. It's hard not to, but you can't take it personally. It's apart of the way the game is played. It's definitely hard to watch other airlines grow at your expense, it too is apart of the game.

As for the ontime performance... that's awesome. But let's be fair with all the claims of 2nd best in the nation amongst all airlines. You're 2nd bed amongst all the airlines that report their status. There are still a lot of airlines that don't report, who do a great job.

 

This is "La La" land thinking. If PNCL corp had not bought Colgan and the Q's you would not have more money, Uncle Phil and his boys would. They will never give you a raise if you continue to do well under your current contract, why would they?

Slowdowns and sickouts are the way.

And you are indirectly blaming Colgan for not having a contract. That if Colgan was not purchased there would be extra money and "fewer excuses to no give us a raise."

 

lol, also all of your planes have acars so we cant fudge our numbers like others.

 

Like closing the door and replacing the parking brake? It is too easy to cheat with ACARS.

 

I agree.. but lets not get ahead of ourselves.. doing LAN, LEX, CRW, FNT, TVC, FWA, DAY, EVV, etc turns all day is some pretty easy flying.