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Holy Toledo 08-09-2008 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 441515)
thats no fun, kinda the reason i don't even touch that pesky lil pull knob in flight....Can remember photos of a 190 (think that's what it was) that blew all the tires, and ground down one of the wheel hubs to the axle. Has been said before that people occasionally use it as a memory item to (turn off the x-feed, etc) but, i'd just assume to use the card holder of the dash instead, no ill effects if i land with it out....the other one, people will notice.

It was a Mid-Atlantic 170 in IAH, and they were trying the same trick about transferring hydraulic fluid.

Didn't work.

flybywire44 08-09-2008 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by wrf2e (Post 441341)
Couldn't find any news articles (Probably a good thing) but EGF 600 DCA-BNA landed today and blew all four main tires on RWY 2C currently still on the runway waiting for new tires before it can be towed to mx hanger. BNA is down to one RWY, 2L-20R. No news on what caused the tires to blow but first thoughts are that the brakes locked up on landing. Crew didn't want to comment to us rampers until an investigation was done. No injuries and the pax were evacuated through overwing emergancy exits. More info to come as I get it.

Accident? Drama queen.

SaltyDog 08-09-2008 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 441578)
Blown out tires aren't "substantial damage"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...0/aopaquiz.jpg

todd1200.
That was it, thanks for the backup. Guess we can wait and see how the NTSB classifies. I'll bet 'incident'

jmoney 08-09-2008 08:09 PM

Honest to GOD!
 

Originally Posted by BrandedPilot (Post 441365)
Confirmed - In flight checks of the Parking Brake are discouraged. You know how forgetful pilots are.


We really had a POS do this at ASA several yrs ago, and (no sh-t) the guy got to be a Chief Pilot!!!!! He then got to be the system Chief Pilot and then VP of ops!!! No Kidding!

-Landed with the parking brake set, because he was damn fool enough to clean under it in flight-which necessitated setting the brake. He then, of course, forgot to release that sucker, and fun times ensued!

-Just Damn!

cessna157 08-10-2008 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by jmoney (Post 441830)
We really had a POS do this at ASA several yrs ago, and (no sh-t) the guy got to be a Chief Pilot!!!!! He then got to be the system Chief Pilot and then VP of ops!!! No Kidding!

-Landed with the parking brake set, because he was damn fool enough to clean under it in flight-which necessitated setting the brake. He then, of course, forgot to release that sucker, and fun times ensued!

-Just Damn!

I assume this was the ATR, because such a thing is not possible in the CRJ. Well, it is, but it isn't. Try it....you'll see what happens

wrf2e 08-10-2008 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by flybywire44 (Post 441785)
Accident? Drama queen.


Ok "Incident". I didn't use the word accident to add drama, it is simply the word that came to mind as I was posting. Forgive me if I was a little tired after what I would consider a pretty stressful day for the ground personel. BNA is a fairly small outstation that requires the ground crew to be cross trained between gate/ramp/ops so not only was I involved in the immediate response as well as helping the pax who were supposed to take that plane back to DCA but also in coordinating with MOC, Dispatch, and airport ops. I did not post this to criticize the crew or bring bad press to the situation I just wanted to hear thoughts from people in the business about the incident.

To the one who commented about the crew not wanting to talk to me as a ramper...the FO did comment as to what he thought caused the tires to blow but said I should not comment to anyone about what that was until the company could investigate it, and I completly agree, that's why I said they didn't comment. I can say that the mx crew was saying they would have to disable the brakes beofore the A/C could be towed which would lead me to believe the brakes were locked before touchdown by other means than the cockpit parking brake handle. Again, I don't know that for sure, just my thoughts. I think the crew did an amazing job with the situation. The FA who is still on reserve was said to have the pax off in about 1 min time using the 2 over wing exits. The pax were completely de-planed before we were even notified that something was wrong.

Again, I am just looking for professional opinions from those who are familiar with the aircraft and its systems as to what they think caused this "Incident".

tone 08-10-2008 10:48 AM

In defense to wrf2e, the book definition of accident is an unforseen incident. Therefore, since a ramper is NOT a crewmember, he/she is permitted to use the human definition of accident/incident interchangebly, rather than the official aviation definition. Just a thought.

cubanfiredawg 08-10-2008 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by BrandedPilot (Post 441494)
Some people take themselves too seriously... no speculation, the "confirmed" was that XJT had more than one land with the brake on.

At least they didn't attempt to power through the rollout. I saw one in El Paso do that when they got the nose stuck in the mud. They didn't need Air Stairs to unload the passengers.

:)

Oh u silly Barbie jet drivers.... I guess everything's not AUTO/ON in those things! LOL

av1atrx 08-11-2008 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by Holy Toledo (Post 441731)
It was a Mid-Atlantic 170 in IAH, and they were trying the same trick about transferring hydraulic fluid.

Didn't work.

Nope. Try again. There is nothing about the 170 that allows you to do that. I see you have E-170 on your profile. Do you actually fly that airplane? If you do, surely you heard the correct story in ground school...

mooney 08-11-2008 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by wrf2e (Post 442011)
I can say that the mx crew was saying they would have to disable the brakes beofore the A/C could be towed which would lead me to believe the brakes were locked before touchdown by other means than the cockpit parking brake handle. Again, I don't know that for sure, just my thoughts.

Anytime an airplane blows 4 tires on touchdown at 140 knots, you are probably going to damage the brakes/rims in some way, making it impossible to tow without tinkering with some part of the brake system.


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