CRJ basese for skywest
 

Can someone that knows tell me where the junior bases are for CRJ FO and what are the chances of getting SLC or FAT out of class.

this might help some:

Airline Pilot Central - SkyWest | Major-National-LCC

Out of class? Not a chance...expect ORD...it used to be MKE but I think there are enough displacements to knock it down from most junior base (?) Recently as things have been filling in and slowing down, new-hires were even getting COS/DEN after just a month or so, then the likes of FAT and SLC soon thereafter.

Also, it's worth noting that SLC, DEN, and ORD are where the vast majority of system-wide reserves are placed...

Junior CRJ = ORD

It used to be MKE, but not sure that midwest will still be in business the next time we run CRJ classes.

The way things look now, you would not get either SLC or FAT out of training, but SLC is so large that anythings possible when the time comes.

Well, since we're not currently running RJ (or EMB for that matter) classes it's truly hard to tell you any exact information. All I can say is that when we do start running RJ New Hire classes in......................oh...................say.. ...........2009+, anything can and will happen. We could end up with new flying which will add bases and shift pilots but more than likely we’ll be filling the small gaps between transitioning EMB FO’s and our future needs. That means you’ll probably end up in ORD for the better part of a year or more and you’ll be on reserve the entire time as well as once you transfer. In other words, if you want SLC or FAT CRJ the first chance you can get it then look forward to 1-2 years on reserve and a 3+ to 4 year upgrade (mainly due to the fact that you won’t fly much on reserve, therefore it will take you longer to build the min requirements for upgrade).

I was in the aug 4 emb class but was put in the pool. I was given a choice between the jet and the emb and at the time thought Its better to take a class rather then swim in a pool for the crj. Now im in a pool anyway but my question is do you think the emb class will start up before a crj class. Also, whats the apprx reserve time in the emb.

Thanks in advance.

ABSOLUTLY, without a doubt and no question about it!

We will run EMB classes LONG before we ever run a CRJ class and when they do run RJ classes look for them to contain only 5 or so new hires with the majority being transitioning EMB FO's. When this happens they will also run EMB New Hire classes to back fill the transition FO's and the EMB class will contain 4 times the number of new hires that are in the RJ class. Plus the EMB FO's might sit reserve for 1-3 months at most, unlike their RJ brethren. After all, we are still short staffed on EMB FO's and we’re well staffed on RJ FO's.

I wouldn't be surprised if they run 2 New Hire EMB classes by the end of the year, I actually expect it.

So are there two seperate pools, one for crj and one for emb? If one has choosen to wait in the crj pool can they switch to the emb?

Jet Jock, what's you guess on the earliest emb class?

I have a friend here now who was in the pool for the CRJ and he called and asked for the EMB and got a class. So I would say you can definetly ask for the Bro class.

Yes, you can switch to the EMB but I don't think they will keep you in both pools at once.

As for my "guess" when the next EMB class will be............I think they will run a Sept or Oct and Nov class. We need about another 20 or so EMB FO's in order to bring them up to adequate staffing, add to that a low attrition rate and you're probably talking 25-30 guys by years end with another 50-80 by next summer.

This is just an educated guess using our current staffing and flying levels.

We are staffed very well on the RJ and if we completely lose Midwest (which I see coming in early 09) that would put another 80 or so crews into the DAL/UAL system (it will take a lot more than losing Midwest for SKW to furlough). Add attrition to the mix and I wouldn’t be surprise if it’s the 2nd Q of 09 or LATER before they run another RJ New Hire class.

My advice is to always take the EMB. You'll make $5-10K more seeing that you'll actually be flying with line values in the upper 80 and low 90's (just holding a line on first year pay can mean an extra $800+ per month; that's around 15-25 hours extra @ $22 plus $500 or so in per diem) as compared to sitting on your ass on the RJ (75 hours @ $22 with only $100-$150 in per diem per month). You'll also be moving up the EMB FO list as those in front of you transition over to the RJ or upgrade (greatly improves you Quality Of Life and helps you deal with the first year regional woes) whereas on the RJ you will continually be pushed back on the list as EMB FO's who are senior to you transition over. There aren't too many things more depressing than seeing yourself move up then down the list as others more senior to you transition over in front of you while you wonder if you’ll EVER get the sniff of a line.

A buddy of mine was hired on the RJ last November in ORD, has NEVER BROKEN GUARANTEE (the most he’s ever flown in one month here at SKW on the RJ is 34 hours) and is still 17 guys away from an off peak line and 2 away from a peak line. He’ll hit 2nd year pay before he ever gets a sniff of a line and he’s in our most JR domicile.

Hey Jetjock. Being that I had the Aug 4 class and they canceled the july class, when would you expect me to get back in. Also, do you think Ill still be able to hold somewhat of a line in a matter of months.

It all depends on what else is going on company wide, but if they're running monthly classes and you take/get FAT EMB you won't spend more than 2 months on reserve. If given a choice I would absolutely positively choose a swim in the Bro Pool. As JJ said you'll make more money, and I don't think there will be ANY new hires in the first few jet classes. Because there are no jet classes, there is a growing backlog of qualified, unseatlocked bro FOs waiting to transition.

I really can't say anything more that hasn't already been said on here before. There will be Bro classes long before any newhires are put into the CRJ. Right now "big if" there were a CRJ class you could get SLC with out a problem.....FAT probably.......MKE no way......ORD.....probably not going to happen and all other bases....there would be a chance unless its California. All subject to change of course at any time. The list getting into ORD at the moment is getting longer and longer with the Midwest reduction. I have 600ish folks behind me on the seniorty and I will be lucky to get into ORD from SLC by the end of the year. If your out there swimming in the pool...try to get on the EMB and go to FAT. You will have a line before you know it! PSP would be a close second, but FAT has the better trips in my opinion and you can fly with JetJock! Good night, I have to pack my crap up so I can finaly get out of the Candlewood already!

EMB pool
 

I got few quetions on EMB pool.
1. how many are swimming in the EMB pool
2. if you switch over to EMB pool form RJ, will you be placed bottom of the
list?

Thanks!!

Those are two good questions that I can't answer.

Last month, I was told by an HR rep that there were 53 in the EMB pool, and 54 in the CRJ pool.

I've heard rumors that the next RJ class may not be until next spring. Even if it's sooner there are plenty of EMB FOs that are off seatlock that could bid it. Newhires in an RJ class could be a long time off, take the EMB if at all possible.

The EMB-120: Not quite the Dash 8, but still one of God's gifts to the regional business. :cool:

No it's not the Dash 8 and I'd rather be flying the Dash mainly because of the larger FLT deck and the potential for Q400’s (which I think are the future of the regionals) down the road. But the E120's a great airplane and it was well beyond it's time when it was designed in the 70's. Two of its most amazing attributes is the fact that it can go fast (for a T-Prop, took over 20 years to build one that’s faster & as large or larger) and it’s extremely fuel efficient, burning around 800 lbs per hour TOTAL in cruise and an average of between 900 to 1000 lbs per hour when you include TO and CLB. It’s been the backbone of SKW as they’ve grown from a small piston operator in the early 70’s to what they are today. Without her we wouldn’t be who we are and I’m proud to fly her. The funny part is that most of us refer to the E120 as "her" but someone gave her the nickname, "Bro?" :confused:

On a side note, the 3 main T-Props out here on the west coast have been the Saab (Eagle), Dash 8 (Horizontal), and the E120 (SKW) for many decades. Now Horizontal has add the Q400's which doesn't fly the same routes as us so, even though it is still a T-Prop, is slightly outside the original 3's group because it fly’s more RJ like routes. I'm pointing this out because I'm going to miss our "West Coast Threesome" which is sadly coming to an end later this year. That is with AE pulling their Saabs and Horizontal dropping their Q2's. I'll miss buzzing up and down the west coast, from SEA to SAN with you guys. It also means that we are now the slowest 121 a/c on the west coast now, a distinction that was held by the Saab followed by the Dash 8.


ps. I don't count Mesa's Dash8's in PHX and DEN, that's technically not west "coast" flying and I know that Mesa fly's them to Carlsbad but that’s still not the same.

I know I enjoyed being a moving road block in the Dash, when we'd beat the Skywest Bro out of PDX on our way to MFR, RDM, or SEA.:D

Most of the time I don't mind: Block or Better. But if you are in a hurry, all you can do is run up on them below Class A, get them in sight, get approval, maintain visual separation and blow right by. I've done it so many times between LAX and FAT that I lost count.

I guess it's an inability to pronounce "Brasilia"? *shrug* ;)

Turboprops are here to stay regardless of what passengers think (thank God) :) For most operations that the RJ flies, it's overkill, and easily replaceable with a turboprop airplane.

Maybe Embraer will build some new -120s...

strange, that's what i was told too!! number 53!!!
when was your interview?

Wow...that's awesome to be no. 53 out of 53. I think I'm in the mid-40's. I interviewed sometime mid-June.