TSA at it again
 

Seems the TSA is using its "valuable" resources to combat security threats again....crew members beware



To All Flight Crewmembers, We have had a couple of incidents reported in which a TSA employee has requested that crewmembers carry liquids or other items through a security check point for a passenger or other employee. Obviously this would be a violation of security protocol and none of our crewmembers have complied with the request. The TSA does not have a policy of testing crewmembers in this manner. If you are approached by any person requesting you to take an item through security, it should be reported to the on duty chief pilot immediately. If it is not TSA or Security Personnel that approaches you, you should report it to the TSA, Airport Police or a GSC before calling the chief pilot. Your report should include the airport name, which checkpoint, a description of the individual and if possible, the name of the individual.

Saving the world one ounce of liquid at a time.

In his speech, Obama just promised to cut federal programs that aren't doing anything for the country. Hope he delivers on that promise and gets rid of the TSA. Come on, going undercover to trick pilots? Damaging planes? Time to start cutting TSA funding.

No, they need to raise their pay and increase hiring requirements...perhaps to slightly above that of a Wendy's or Mickey D's cashier...:rolleyes:

I just posted this in the majors under "Jumpseating and the Awesome TSA":

cessna172heavy,

Can you let me know where you got this information. I would like to follow up on it for a story I would like to write. Don't worry, I am not mainstream media. I am an airline pilot and it is for a website I am working on. Thanks in advance.

Came from company e-mail

we know you're not mainstream media. The fact that you'd actually research an aviation story and back it up with facts is a dead give away

Watch out, this person may be an undercover TSA agent!!!:cool:

what if a passenger asks us to take a turkey sandwich through that has LOTS of mustard on it?

Eat it first, walk through, then tell em you'll have to wait a while to get it back, depending on your biological functions could be a few days. Make sure the sandwich hasn't been altered to your detriment too.

I hear the average TSA employee makes about 17$ an hour. Or 43,000$ yearly.

As long as it is 3 oz. or less and in a clear plastic bag.

What if I am confident I can produce 4.0oz of liquid (or a gell) once I pass through! LOL :D

What if I put the turkey sandwich in a blender? Is it a liquid then?

What if we then freeze the blended turkey-sandwich? It is now a solid, no?


Sounds like a pretty complex job to me - worthy of $43k a year :rolleyes:

Nothing will change till the Airlines and passengers say enough is enough and since it still goes on to this day I really see no change in the forseeable future .
Its all about FEELING safe or is it ?:rolleyes:
And as far as taking someone elses liquids or whatever thru security ,thats nothing but a way to get set up by said individual savvy?

Wow, you guys actually make eye contact with passengers and other people in security? I try to avoid that at all costs. No one can ask me to carry their turkey sandwich through. Beside, I feel guilty just being able to butt in front of the whole line. I hate the dirty looks I get!

Thats also why I sit in the cockpit when non-revving. Slim chance of getting hit up for a Multi Level Marketing plan up there.

OK rich UPS guy...

Pay the TSA more, but pilot pay everywhere is fine. :rolleyes:

I agree with the hiring requirements though.

I applied to TSA a couple times after 9/11 and before the recently ended regional airline hiring boom, when my flight instructor job wasn't paying the bills. I never got a call back. I have a Bachelor's degree.

Must have been over qualified.

If you were applying in Detroit you are about 2 degrees overqualified. I think they only hire you if your highest education was middle school graduate. I can't stand riding the crew bus with them... I feel like I need to shower again just by being on the same bus.

I wasnt sure if a turkey sandwich with mustard is a liquid, gel, or solid? this TSA training video helped me. TSA Training Video - SNL [ Movies ] - EvilChili :: Hot Entertainment Delivered Daily :: Fear the Chili

I hear ya, man. And I applied from Beaumont, TX back then, and I think the preferences allowed me to choose which airport I would prefer, but I checked the "willing to relocate" box. Either way, worthless. Like the TSA itself.

Didnt you hear? Terrorists eat turkey sandwiches!

Sneak on a ham sandwich and the'll go to hell :D

If they hire people who use their minds, then the whole system goes down. They want mindless drones who follow every command without question.

If anyone with thinking power worked there then they'd start wondering why do people have to take off their shoes? Does mustard on a turkey sandwich constitute a liquid or a gel? Is it really necessary for the guy who flies the plane to remove his computer from his luggage?

Next time you go through security ask someone why computers need to be removed from their bags to be put through the x-ray. I'm willing to bet nobody has an answer. In the 10 times or so that I've asked nobody has been able to give me a reason. They just do what they are told.

It has a lot of space, and, typical laptop bags have a lot of wires/metal that can confuse the issue.

There are security "friendly" bags out there that will allow you to run it through w/out removal.

But, ultimately, hidden/concealed weapons are why it's done the way it's done. Same time, if I can keep the shoes on while going through security, carry a bottle of water, full size tube of toothpaste, can't think of a reason that I shouldn't be trusted w/ the laptop

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Although highly unlikely, I would love for the TSA and Homeland Security to go away. Let's really look at this, what is the TSA stopping that wasn't being stopped prior to 9/11. Oh yeah knives/box cutters, wait those were legal back then. A simple solution would have been to keep everything the same and not allow those items, plus the shoes and liquids if needed. But the reallity is that they are a HUGE waist of tax dollars.
What do you think will happen today if four people from the middle east got up with guns to try an take over a flight? It will make the California looting of the 90's seem dosile to what will happen to these people. Mentality has changed about hijacked flights and we need not speend all this monely or loose all our freedoms, just to please the stupid masses.
And on a final note, let's quit being so politically stupid nice and quit harrasing grandma, we need to profile, it worked in the 70's and really well, and guess what if you are from the Middle East and a law aviding citizen/guest, suck it up and quit complaining if you are pull aside everytime. It is people from that area of the world causing harm, not our fault so deal with it. Leave poor old ladies alone until such group decides to hijack airplanes. It's the dumbest thing I've seen.
I could see why crews, since in 9/11 some wore crew iniforms, but instead of all this non-sense, how about a standarized federally approved, not issue, crew badge that's hard to counterfit, now it becomes very easy to ID crew members and we can drop all the stupid games. TSA is hard at trying to justify their useless existance.
I'm tired of people actually beliving that planes are not being hijacked becasue of the TSA, like hijacking was common prior to 9/11. Terrorists are not dumb and know that planes are not a good idea anymore, they are probably already training for something else.

Throw the TSA down the well...

So what's your proposed plan for security then? Get rid of x-ray machines and metal detectors and just pull people of Middle Eastern origin aside? Christians, Catholics and even Buddhists have all committed terrorist attacks within the last century as well. I do agree with you that most terrorist groups are likely not planning an attack involving aviation, not due to being deterred by the TSA, but because everyone would be anticipating that. I have plenty of gripes about the TSA myself, but it seems like you're suggesting we don't need them because of the revolt that would ensue after an attempted hijacking? I agree as well profiling works, but you need to go beyond just a persons ethnicity.

I'm always packing fluids, honey!

No, I don't mean get rid of security, I mean go back to what we had before TSA, and although you are right that other groups had done acts of terrorism, at present the middle eastern extremest muslim is the current treat and the only group to use a civil aircraft as a weapon.
See the terrorists won by the simple fact that we gave up a lot of freedom we enjoyed before their attack and currently live in a estate of paranoia. Like I always say, I can't wait for someone to swallow two chemicals in condoms and try to get it through security. Why, because I want to know what will the next step be. Human x-rays, full body cavity search? When will the madness stop.

Profiling.
 

The world is a dangerous place and aviation is under the microscope because of what a few lunatics did to innocent. We are all pilots and we deserve to be safe and our students/passengers/cargo/airplanes should be safe as well.

To say that "Muslims" are to blame or are terrorists, that phrase or even the thought is as wrong as two left feet. There are good and bad in every society, culture and religion. It just so happens that all we are shown is the worst part of that world. The few crazies and extremists are disproportionatly shown to us via the media.

We never hear "Timothy McVay a Christian Terrorist", the KKK Christian Terrorists, the European immigrants who massacared the Native Americans and stole their land Christian terrorists, you get the picture.

The issue is that alot of people have a gross misunderstanding of religion. The principals of every religion are virtually the same. Don't rob, cheat, kill, steal, sleep with somebody's wife/husband, and DO all the stuff that is morally correct, shun that which is not. But most killing has been done in the name of Yahweh, Allah, Jesus, etc. Nuts!!! Pull the LABELS off of religion and get around the differnces of EXPRESSION of faiths and you have a common thread.

The fact is that there are loonies all over the world. Profiling is wrong. Everybody should be treated equally under the law. If there is PROOF that a person is a terrorist, I mean EVIDINCE, then that person should be detained. But if they are just a victim of profiling, like my (at that time) 2 year old son at DTW a few years ago...c'mon.

**Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

you're missing a golden opportunity. wrestle them to the ground, break an arm applying a half nelson and yell "security"!

I hate to bring back an old thread but they're at it again.


Police: TSA Employee Brings Gun To Airport - Miami News Story - WPLG Miami

And again

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/29447697/detail.html

At DCA I have had plainclothes TSA try to enter the employee elevator without ID displayed claiming they left it in the crew room. Promptly told them to get off the elevator and call their supervisor to come escort them. That was when he pulled out his TSA ID made a flip comment - you pass - then walked off the elevator.

What a crock of shieet Wanna save the budget? Eliminate the TSA and bring back private contractors but require better training oversight and hiring qualifications. There was/is no need for it to be a ginormous Govt agency that it has become.

I'm a hardcore liberal....and even I want the TSA gone.

Think if Boeing took over the operation (a-la a Jeppesen-esque operation)....that makes me moist...

The porn arrest bothers me the most given the fact that we're sending kids through the microwave and sending the photos elsewhere.

And again
 

What else will they smuggle on board for you?


Former LA Fire Chief’s Son Accused Of Bribing TSA Agent, Smuggling Pot Onto Flight CBS Los Angeles

Where's the "like" button?!

Just when you wanna make the flip comment back..."well you're lucky you produced the ID when you did cuz I was about to drop you like a narc at a biker rally...have a nice day." If only....