The bottom line is the pilots of Midwest need to sign a contract with the company that includes provisions to fly the 170's... when they do the midwest pilots will fly them and the RaH guys will go home...... kinda sucks all the way around... but then..MIDWEST could just close the doors...that would suck worse....

AND I do believe that its a violation of the CBA with the RAH pilots to lease those aircraft to Midwest....... but then RAH mgt has always taken the attitude that we will do it... and you can grieve it....

im just saying that the rah contract states that the agreement covers "the company, any subsidiary of the company, the companys parent, any subsidiary of the company's parent and any future airline certificates." It goes on to state that the company will not transfer aircraft to other airlines to evade the contract. as far as who looses flying its not good for the whole industry. Im sure republic will be used as a whipsaw for the midwest pilots and in the end the net result will be less pay for every one.

This deal is just wrong...in the short term it is Great for RAH management and pilots, in the long term it is bad for Midwest and RAH....lets hope April's fools day just came late this year!

I hope this thing falls through for the industries sake. Republic does not look into the future it seems but makes decisions based on the next 24 hours.

This deal isn't good for either pilot group. Both sides need to stand up and fight for their respective intrests.

While it might save my job in the near term (I get furloughed next Monday) I don't see this as a positive move for our group.

rah management, as sleazy as they are, usually don't enter into agreements like this! I think they were just so anxious to get the frontier birds I'm the air anyway they can.

I urge every Midwest and RAH pilot out there to vote this whole C.F. down!! That is if it even gets to a vote! This deal is no good for anyone involved except for the management of these two. The future ramifications of relaxing scope overshadow any sort of immediate " benefit". I'm currently throwing up in my own mouth at the idea of how our management treats our CBA. So again vote this down and call your union leadership! And if your in the local 747, put your red bagtag on! That's about our only option at this joke of an airline.

Yea i agree with you. It was a bad deal with the frontier flying and this is what they think is going to fix it??? There only hurting themselves.

If the unions are able to come to an agreement with management on Midwest pilots flying 170's for midwest airlines it'd be good for midwest pilots. One of the problems i see is that currently midwest is equipping their 717's like their 170's, now, they'll have a comparable package. Hopefully, they'll negotiate better than regional salaries for the aircraft, but it might go to show all of us, that the E-170/175 is as much a mainline aircraft as the 190/95 is, and should be flown as such. Good luck to all.

I'm all for 170s going to mainline and pilots flying them for mainline rates. But if its done like this! I want no part of it! I dont want to be flying 170s for midwest undercutting the pilots as they let people go and I don't want them flying our aircraft while our guys get a thanks but no thanks kick in the pants! No matter how you look at it either RAH or midwest pilots are going to get the shaft! Unless we all take a stand!

It would seem that Midwest management has put it's pilots into a corner. They are doomed if they take a crappy contract and they are doomed if they hold out past June of 2010. I can see it now, we RAH pilots are not going to be liked. All this cause of the actions of our management groups. I pray the Midwest guys get a good contract out of this. This would only make swallowing this $hit pill easier.