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mav204 09-04-2008 05:21 AM

Once agin the RAH pilots are happy about taking mainline jobs, Just what I love to hear, we are Mainline; when YOUR NOT!
Just talked to a friend at USAPA, I guess USAir has violated the scope clause, and has too many ERJ-170/175's and CRJ-900's I hope that RAH gets the boot, and not that i Love Mesa, but they are an ALPA carrier in contract talks!
Bottom feeders need to go away, that includes RAH!

newarkblows 09-04-2008 05:34 AM

Lets rewind a year and see all the posts about how the 70 and 90 seat rj's are a godsend and will be a good thing for this industry. I dont knock the pilots for flying them but its pretty ignorant to say "YES we got more flying" when everyone knows and its been proven to show that 70 and 90 seat regionals are taking away more jobs at the majors then any 50 seater ever could. Sure 50 seat jets took away jobs at the majors but it could never be viewed as a direct replacement for a small 73 or Airbus product.

If i was at republic i would be cautious in dealing with this management. If they are that willing to screw over their own employees you can start to imagine how they will treat you.

And it appears that frontier flying is gone for good. That money invested into Frontier better get you guys something good when they start auctioning off pieces.

WhizWheel 09-04-2008 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by mav204 (Post 455525)
Once agin the RAH pilots are happy about taking mainline jobs, Just what I love to hear, we are Mainline; when YOUR NOT!
Just talked to a friend at USAPA, I guess USAir has violated the scope clause, and has too many ERJ-170/175's and CRJ-900's I hope that RAH gets the boot, and not that i Love Mesa, but they are an ALPA carrier in contract talks!
Bottom feeders need to go away, that includes RAH!

You might want to chill out with your nonsense there Maverick. The overwhelming majority of folks here at RAH aren't too happy about this and are more than a bit skeptical.

powrful1 09-04-2008 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 455551)
You might want to chill out with your nonsense there Maverick. The overwhelming majority of folks here at RAH aren't too happy about this and are more than a bit skeptical.

I second that, we are not happy in the least! The way this all sounds is it isn't right. I have flown on Midwest a good deal commuting to work, great people very friendly, wonderful product that has taken a long time to build up.

Sometimes this industry sucks and blows all at the same time.

Vectorfly 09-04-2008 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by mav204 (Post 455525)
Once agin the RAH pilots are happy about taking mainline jobs, Just what I love to hear, we are Mainline; when YOUR NOT!
Just talked to a friend at USAPA, I guess USAir has violated the scope clause, and has too many ERJ-170/175's and CRJ-900's I hope that RAH gets the boot, and not that i Love Mesa, but they are an ALPA carrier in contract talks!
Bottom feeders need to go away, that includes RAH!

put on your glasses and read the 7 pages of RAH pilots saying this is crap...

CaribPilot 09-04-2008 06:34 AM

Jeez...stark reminder that airline business is still corporate america. The bottom line will make companies do some freaked up shate.http://www.islandmix.com/backchat/im...upload/nea.gif

MachJ 09-04-2008 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by mav204 (Post 455525)
Once agin the RAH pilots are happy about taking mainline jobs, Just what I love to hear, we are Mainline; when YOUR NOT!
Just talked to a friend at USAPA, I guess USAir has violated the scope clause, and has too many ERJ-170/175's and CRJ-900's I hope that RAH gets the boot, and not that i Love Mesa, but they are an ALPA carrier in contract talks!
Bottom feeders need to go away, that includes RAH!

Obvious troll.

ToiletDuck 09-04-2008 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 455470)
Sounds like you do. Let us in on it.

I talk about factual, substantiated information. I don't rant about a pilot group or how any one carrier is supposedly undercutting contracts or bringing the QOL life down for the entire industry. When I speak of a company it's not simply to trash talk it's to actually have an educated conversation about the performance of a place relative to the industry. "Spreadsheet" talk if you will. I don't talk about possible imaginary deals with other carriers and pilot groups.


Sounds like you have looked at the contract. Can you tell us all about it?
No I haven't looked at the contract directly. I have read the reports filed by CAL of how the agreement came to be. Also don't forget that Ream himself has stated how low ball it is and that your pilot group is being asked for concessions.


You don't know as much as you think you do.
All the claims I've ever made are publicly available for anyone willing to actually put down the kool-aid and take a read. Considering the way things have gone down I'd say I was pretty accurate. Of course I've been told for the past 1.5yrs how I don't know what I'm looking at and XJT is doing great:rolleyes:

XJT was whipsawed by CAL and SKW and had no choice but to sign the deal or otherwise wind down the company.
First off you still don't know what's happening at Midwest. Secondly, yes I know how XJT was whipsawed but the original poster of that message said something along the lines of when an airline is about to go BK here comes a regional accepting a low contract and how majors are being supplied by "cheaper, eager" regionals. Is XJT a cheaper regional now that they have such a cheap contract with CAL?

There's irony all over that guys post. He's doing his best to try and place blame somewhere and not noticing that XJT is a business just like RAH or any other place and has made the same business moves. Whipsawed or not XJT signed a deal so low that there are about to be paycuts. Multiple opportunities to fix that place and Ream always thought he'd do better going the other way.

utedrummer 09-04-2008 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by mccube5 (Post 455432)
simply to play devils advocate here, but can you afford the prorated 15K 2 year contract you signed when you came here.

unless im not aware of how we are going to be financially relieved of that were gonna have to wait and see how things pan out before we make our next move.

if it comes down to not showing up for work essentially walking off the job and getting fired then we will have to cross that bridge when we get there.

its time now for the union and entire group (from both sides) to get together and figure how we all wanna handle this.

FWIW...i too will be furloughed as of the 8th

They are furloughing me. Read up on HR rules and laws, all contracts become null and void at 11:59pm on the 8th. If the furlough is not recinded (I pray God its not) by the 8th I am not bound to that contract. If they think otherwise I will see them in court.

av8tordude 09-04-2008 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by utedrummer (Post 455599)
They are furloughing me. Read up on HR rules and laws, all contracts become null and void at 11:59pm on the 8th. If the furlough is not recinded (I pray God its not) by the 8th I am not bound to that contract. If they think otherwise I will see them in court.


If you are furloughed, then you are protected by the CBA to have recall rights. Therefore, you must honor you training contract until a mutual agreement can be reached between you and the company to void repayment of the training contract. If you refuse to return to work when recalled, than they can terminate your furlough status and force you to repay the prorated amount left in your training contract. The only way to not pay this training contract while on furlough is to let time run its course. After 2-years of employment, furloughed or not, you are not obligated to pay the training cost.


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