mesa furloughs
 

my bud was in the uax crew rm in ord yesterday and heard that mesa were furloughing again.....any truth?

Not beyond the 50-70 we sent home from training about a month ago.

With the post summer slowdown, we are extremely overstaffed so I can see why people would think we might.

Example. 80 lines in PHX and 150 guys in each seat.

Has the company given you guys an exact date of when the Delta ERJ lawsuit will be heard?

ALOHA lawsuit date??

My friend was in the May 5th class and so far, still flying. I would guess that is close to the bottom of the seniority list.

The whispers are spring 2009 with Delta. Unknown regarding Aloha.

And JO and Co. will still probably cancel vacations!!

I have heard that Mesa has sent out a letter warning they may have 100 CRJ captains go back to the right seat. Would this mean that they are going to furlough 100 FOs? Mesa pilots, any truth to this?

We're hearing whispers of a displacement of 100 CA's and 80 F/O's all off the CRJ.

Were still junior assigning people, and they just restarted CRJ vacations 2 months ago. Don't understand how we could go from extremely short to 180 fat in 2 months.

I can't speak for Mesa, but I can speak about displacements/furloughs from experience.

If they displace 100 captains back to FO, that creates 200 surplus FO's. 100 less captains = 100 less FO's...when the 100 captains displace back to FO, that makes another 100 junior FO's redundant.

Is this the DAL stuff, or the united CRJ's?
Good luck to all involved

UA/US CRJ.

They have already run the displacement for the Freedom -900 guys.

Mesa may have a higher CA to FO ratio than other carriers. All CA's were right seat qualified, and were frequently used (and abused) in the right seat.

have heard multiple rumors (some from credible people) about an additional furlough of atleast 150 FO's. no specifics provided. just a rumor floating around. makes sense given what others are saying.

I also heard that they are asking for voluntary leave of absences or 150 will be furloughed.

Extremely overstaffed, yet junior assignments. 'paxhauler', please tell me you had a good reason for not pulling the ejection handle during the hiring frenzy of 2006-2007.

Mismanagement?

Good luck guys.

Welcome to Delta's playground. Comair went from hiring 300 in June to furloughing 200 in August.

We can call it "the Delta Effect".

"Welcome to the new Delta"

'Have a Delta Day!"

"Good goes around"

Just a small point about the Delta effect. Delta management almost two years ago finally grew a pair and told all the connection carriers that if they did not perform they could expect to be cut. Both Mesa and Comair's performance can only be called abhorrant. Comair is last in virtually every measure of customer service looking at every airline in the country. I have waited for Comair flights while crews went off to eat for 45 minutes on a scheduled 30 minute turn at 11 in the morning. I have even heard Comair flight crews make statements like F___ Em, They are Delta's passengers. If Comairs performance had been top notch they would be a much larger airline today.

Until an airline treats their employees with dignity and offers schedules where you can actually have to time to eat or take a break just like even a janitor can, I would take my sweet time enjoy every last minute of my turnround time at the pax expense. Or better yet, do it like the Mesa crews, where they don't even show up all together.

I am curious do u work for mainline? Let me tell you then cause u might understand a little about how our day's work I have been here for eight years so I am just a little experienced at this. when you have a 2day trip scheduled, and u have 6 legs on day one all with 20 min turns with a 13.5 hour duty day scheduled and no crew meals for breakfast and the only place that there will even be an opportunity to eat for the whole day and you have a problem with a crew getting food give me a break! what do u think we are machines.when I tell my crew to take a food break u think were doing it to be spiteful?wow u have no idea.
Next time you nonrev jumpseat whatever youi do why dont you ask the crew what kind of day they r having you might have a better insight.
I am done being pi---d off.. Anyone else want to jump in??:(:(

No...I think you adequately covered that.

I understand what you're saying however I tend to disagree on the principle. You work for a regional, which is the evolved version of a commuter, in essence, a stepping stone. If you ask most of the mainline guys about the "work rules" at the commuters they worked for, they would laugh at you. I'm also an RJ operator, but I understand that this isn't supposed to be a cushy job. We aren't mainline pilots and as long as regionals are stepping stone type operations you can expect the work rules to be sub par. I'm not condoning this eventuality, I'm merely commenting on its origins and seemingly perpetual existence given the circumstances.

I think its great to fight for better work rules, my airline has great work rules and it definitely makes the job more enjoyable, just make sure you're not cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Also, may I suggest the luggage works regal cooler. I pack almost all my food for a four day trip in this little guy. It has turned out to be a more economical and healthier alternative to buying food on the road.

Wow, it took 'em that long? They finally had a sex change and got some balls to do something about it?

I could say the same thing about the schedules DL gives us!

Customer service in terms of what? The gate agents? This data must have come out of JFK then...:p

When am I suppose to eat then? I don't see mainline having "scheduled" 19 minute turns in JFK. Thanks for the biscoff cookies!

Yup, 'cuase we get the "F___ em, it's only Comair" by DL!

I doubt it!


I already feel better:D

Whatever happened to the captains that would say, during a quick turn with a hungry crew: "hey, I'll get the walkaround and breakfast for you two. Please get the outbound flight ready and boarded. See you in 10 - 15 minutes." ???

I take it you never went on strike either.. we striked for 89 days to try to set line for everyone else. I have been furloughed before 3 times from 3 different airlines. This the smallest airplane i have ever flown. I am not at comair for a stepping stone I was prob flying DC3s when you were in 5th grade?? My point is We all do the same job to get our passengers safely from point a to point b. If you want to bring your backpack and lunch box to work fine with me but we also deserve a certain respect with this job and i dont think it is asking to much to sit down and enjoy a meal. Im done!

There are lots of lazy disgruntled Captains at the regionals who are ****ed about having this "stepping stone" job turn into the end of the line for them through no fault of their own. Many were getting ready to move on to the majors when 9/11 happened. Now they are stuck because they can't afford to leave. Can't say as I blame them.

In my opinion, you're putting the cart before the horse.

Delta started reducing Comair much more than two years ago. Comair's numbers were among the better ones out there when Delta, in all their wisdom, decided to add: Freedom, CHQ, Republic, Pinnacle, BigSky, ACA, XJet, etc. to the mix.

Comair's numbers were still better than average when Delta RFP'd Comair flying in 2006.

Saying Delta is shrinking Comair because the pilots' morale is in the toilet is like saying America West bought USAir because the East pilots are disgruntled.

So if you're looking for a cause and effect relationship, can you explain the repeated pay cuts and QOL hits Delta handed the Comair pilots back when their performance numbers were above average?

Or would it be more accurate to say that Comair would be "a much larger airline today" if they had not struck Delta for 89 days to improve regional pay and workrules?

I thought this is a MESA furlough thread.