Pinnacle Oct. TDY in CVG
 

posted this evening for 1 line and 4 crews. Stated to last for only "...60-90 days until further evaluation."

I guess that about sums it up. Pinnacle must be getting mesa's 900's.

The only other theory I have heard is this. Mesa's 900's will be parked for now. Delta just wants to cover their A** and make sure mesa doesnt win another injunction or file for breach of contract and have a judge force them to give the airplanes back. I understand all of the arguments about how Delta owns these airplanes and losing them wont force Mesa into bankruptcy but Delta knows JO will at least file a lawsuit and try so they are covering.

Because of that Delta has moved comiars current 900's up to JFK to cover all of the Freedom 900 flying currently out of JFK. Pinnacle moves up some of their 900 deliveries that they postponed until 2009 and back fills comair's absence in CVG.

That might explain the 60-90 Day Evaluation time. Or they are just preparing to take all of Freedom's 900's and open a base in CVG.

No, I bet YOU came up with that one! You have a lot of theories and logics:rolleyes:

I was told CVG will be a focus city not a base.

Hmm how about a trade. Pinnacle can have all the Mesaba MEM 900 flying and give us back CVG... any takers?

I got a buddy who works in SOC planning at Delta (and of course I know the I have a friend in etc... so take it for what its worth) and he says that 9E will move out of ATL and be in CVG and JFK. Dont know any time frame or if it will even happen.

Well that would support SB telling some folks the other day that Comair will be down to less than 1,000 pilots by January.

Now the real question is do I apply now at 9e, mesaba or compass?

Interesting the parallels between this Midwest / Republic

and now Pinnacle / Comair.


fantastic

Well, then it has to be true if it's coming from him... :rolleyes:

Everyone just needs to shut up and do their job.

Why does Pinnacle fly/base out of CVG, a DL hub? Aren't they NWA Airlink? Or am I behind the times... again?

73

They're yet ANOTHER regional airline partner for Delta now, flying CRJ 900's

Guess I'm behind the times. Hey, it wasn't too long ago when I found out that CHQ no longer flies J32s out of IND... and that Shuttle America was no longer a Dash-8 operator out of BDL!

Andy... what is happening between Midwest/Republic is nothing new, therefore nobody should be surprised, except the tables are turned. Every regional has been apart of some sort of growth at some other airlines expense, as has mainline. It's called the airline business and has a fancy name for it... whipsaw.

The big difference at the regional level is that none of these regional airlines actually own any of their flying. It is all flying that is owned by mainline that is allocated to whatever operator the mainline mgmt wants. Pinnacle is not stealing Comair flying, they're just taking over flying traditionally flown by Comair or other DL connection partners. Same stuff at NWA, AA, CO, US etc...

A JFK base might make sense, especially when we eventually merger operations with Colgan...

There are definitely a ton of 9E people begging for a west coast base. LAX would be a wet dream for many people, and DL needs someone to make up for XJET eventually. It'll probably be Skywest, but who knows.

None of the above? ;)

But seriously.

Wow... that means Comair will be furloughing back to the 2004 hires. Boy will that suck. Want to bet no voluntaries?

If Comair furloughs to 1000 and keeps the 60/40 ratio CVG to JFK, here's what you're left with:

Seniority to hold: (junior reserve)

CVG Captain......14 years
CVG FO...........6.5 years
JFK Captain......9.5 years
JFK FO...............4 years

At least we can stick it to the company when we start negotiations in 2011! :)

The third is pretty much done hiring.

And the second is in full hiring swing once again. 2 saab classes and 2 jet classes (1 for each type) each month going into the future.

pinnacle is having 2 new hire classes a month till the end of the year.

I didn't know that 9e was hiring in oct was told it was only going to happen the 16th and then again in Nov, for a oct and dec class date any feed back would be appreciated...:)

2 clases a month of 8 each for the rest of the year. (Planned). I don't know how far in advance the clases are filled with the guys in the pool, but for sure there's a lot of swimmers.

thanks for the info

Some of the new city pairs are for October:
CVG-BDL
CVG-BOS
CVG-EWR
CVG-LGA
CVG-SAT
CVG-MEM
CVG-MCI
CVG-MIA
CVG-TPA
LGA-MSY
EWR-ATL
I am not certain, but I heard that we are taking some of Freedom's 900 that were based in the New York area. I also heard we are going to increase our flying to 72 daily flights.

dan,

my understanding is that the pool is close to being drained, and thats why they are interviewing again

Well I guess that most of the people in the pool have class dates, but the upcoming interviews are for a pool with no specific class dates, anyhow, don't take my word for it, I'm not in the trainning department or the interview team, actually, I don't even drive close to nonconnah.........

I laugh when I hear the later, freedom 900s? we still got to take delivery of our own already deferred airplanes....... Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying is impossible, but that rumor started not long ago and was pure speculation because the CVG flying.

Are Mesaba and Pinnacle offering any preferential hiring for furloughed Comair pilots?

They might come in handy if you're picking up CRJ flying in CVG or JFK, since a lot of them live there already...

Plain vanilla answer,.....NO. But, having CRJ time is always a plus, specially if you ask the check airman that is doing OE on you..........I think it's a little bit late to come from Comair to 9E, last year was the year, we had a good number of Comairs FOs coming to 9E and doing the quick upgrade. I personally like every single guy I met from Comair here in 9E, so good luck !

I wouldn't be hung up on 'flight experience' to get an interview at Pinnacle. lol

LOL!!! I love it!!!

Actually bro, most of the new hires in the last two or three classes were extremely experienced...furloughed Skyway captains, ATA, Skybus, Champion folks...so your statement isn't really valid anymore. Before that, it was a mix of JetUers and 135 people. I highly doubt anyone with less than 1000 TT is in that pool unless they have prior 121 time.

Times have changed since Spring for sure.

That may be the case for a few classes now, but it won't last. There are plenty of folks still waiting on class dates from the "bridge programs". Sure, they're going to take the furloughs first, but Pinnacle will never stop hiring from the bottom of the experience pool so long as they can make a dime off it. Maybe it embarresses some folks to be associated with a company that does this religiously, but it's the truth.

It really amazes me. I had a buddy that applied here over a year ago with 1400 total and 90 multi. Sure, nothing to go bragging about, but for Pinnacle that, at the time, was huge - right? Long story short, he ended up getting an email back from a recruiter saying he would need 1000 total and 200 multi or attend an 'approved CRJ program' at Jet U, ALL ATPs, etc... So here's a guy with a college degree, military experience, extensive job experience, and (heaven forbid) a current flying job. Yet somehow a person from a "bridge program" who may or may not have ever even had a job, any education past high school, and thinks it will be "so cool to fly in clouds" is SOMEHOW more qualified. right. More qualified because Pinnacle receives a large cut of their 'tuition'.

From what I've heard, I think a lot has changed since then in regards to interviews/hiring. ...but for how long I wonder.

You don't know the current hiring and for the last 6 months things have been competitive. I helped an ATA 757 CA get hired here with 7K hours and he said he was about "average" for his class. His interview pool had an average of 3K hours and no bridge folks. This guy found greener pastures (good for him) but the bridge program days are gone for now.

Not true. The Sept. 8 class has 12 people -- 3 with previous 121 experience (1 furloughee), some 135, some corporate guys, and 5 bridge guys.

From the beginning of the pool that was set up at the end of the last wave. Current INTERVIEW poolies are needing 1000/200 even if they have previous 121.

So you are saying our crappy regional now has low standards!

They were very low standards and now they are just low?

If you say so.

:)

business as usual....

why do you refer to it as "our" if you don't work there?:confused:

Who do you work for? I know for a fact there are BOATLOADS of bridge guys at Eagle and a good handful are (were?) at Comair this summer...I know a guy who was in an Eagle class in January that said 90% of the people in the class were from bridge programs.

I don't want to get in a ****ing contest with who has more UND/Riddle/Bridge/blah blah blah...I really don't care...well, no, I take that back, I do care. It does bother me when some arrogant jet uers walk around wearing the same uniform as me. Not all of them are like that, but the few that are make me cringe. It does bother me that there are punk kids for whom this is a first job who are walking around like hot stuff while there are f-loughed 121 captains junior to them humbly eating their lunch in the same room and they're the ones who aren't talking any smack. I don't care what someone's background is as long as they don't wear it on their sleeve. My only problem with the jet u kids is that they seem to actually think they are BETTER than some people b/c they went to Jet U. Just writing jetu makes me cringe!!!