RAH contract question?
 

"Fatigue "isn't a tremendous issue" for the 2,000 pilots at Republic Airways Holdings Inc., which owns three commuter carriers, according to Wayne Heller, chief operating officer, adding that the airline's work rules are stricter than the FAA's. "If we have fatigue," he says, "it's due to unplanned circumstances" outside the company's control."


After seing this assinine staement, just what kind of trip rigs do you have in your contract and does one contract cover all the units?

That's a good one.

and yes..ONE contract for three carriers........

no trip or duty rigs. they can push us all the way to 16 hours, but cant sked more than 15.

I thought maximum sked duty was 14 hours, not 15...

And what kind of statement is that? "If we have fatigue, it's due to unplanned circumstances..." Hmmm...who actually plans to make their pilots "fatigued" anyway? Where did you find this? I'd like to read the article.

"A pilot will not be scheduled or rescheduled for a duty period in
excess of fourteen (14) hours, including deadhead (except for a
deadhead on the last leg of a duty period), unless by consent of the
pilot, except that a CDO may be scheduled for up to fifteen (15)"


Not really a normal situation, but they can sked us up to 15.

Our contract (or lack of it) and our unions complete impotency to uphold the patheticly weak language is one of the main reason i will not be returning from furlough at RAH.
I am gladly using the furlough as a stress-free way out of my training agreement.

Be careful, that does not release you from your training contract, read your contract. It sucks, but if you refuse to return you're on the hook for the remainder of the training contract.

Kudos to the gentleman from UPS!

I think that reminding the RAH guys that they NEED better work rules and pay rates is productive!
I know that my contract isn't perfect, but it at least it pays me for what I fly! And I WILL NOT take concessions to fly a bigger aircraft

and you work for....?????

Sounds like an ExpressJetter

And just who is it that you work for Mav.....or should we just call you Tom Cruise?

The training agreement isn't a legal contract anyway!

The Crew Report Blog

Still unwilling to say who he worked for.... if he ever did.

Not sure I know what an "airline driver" is anyway. or.... "going to to work on the corporate outside from flying."......

Bottom line is that RAH pilots are aware of their contract. It was signed 5 years ago...and has been in negotiations for nearly a year. Only time will tell what they sign for this next time around.

it was amendable Oct07 from what we hear which isn't much the divide between union and company is wide. Of course until you are at it for 2-5 yrs aren't all negotiations that way?

Empty threat from the company. Only those that dont know any better will be bullied back by that lie. Typical of RAH.

I just hope one day we can live up to the high expectations that Mav has for us since he is so perfect in his airline and his career of choice. I wish he would just go around to crew rooms every where and do lectures about how he is better than all of us....cause we all need that right now. NOT

yeah mav must know what its like to be at a ****y airline... i bet a year ago he would have been begging to get on at RAH.

Typical of any company anymore. :mad:

Ahhh another know-it-all pilot on his soapbox. Perhaps if you could take the time to tell us what beloved company you work for, your current zero credibility would increase. Otherwise we will assume you are a ramper, cfi, mechanic talking about a subject he knows nothing about.

Sadly, true.
Career change anyone? :(

Trip Rigs don't prevent fatigue. They may give incentive for the company to avoid unproductive schedules, but even a productive trip can be fatiguing. I just finished a 20 hour 3 day, which would not have benefited from trip or duty rigs, and I was plenty tired by the end.

How much should a 70 seat CA make?

Um, the problem is our contract does pay us for what we fly. trip rigs, duty rigs, and cancellation pay fall under the category of getting paid while not flying. We only get paid to fly (and deadhead). And I still fail to see how our current 70 and 78 seat pay scales are at all concessionary, considering they were an improvement over our previous contract, and they are on par with or better than nearly every regional. No pay cuts were enacted to get the larger aircraft on property (they were not on property at the time of contract signing), and pay rates on all aircraft went up at contract signing. There are no talks of pay concessions during current negotiations, no dangling carrot of larger aircraft from management, and no pressure from management to give concessions during the current financial woes of our industry.

no kidding, I nominate mav, to sit in front of Wayne Heller and have him negotiate a contract better than Southwests for us. Cause every post I have read of his so far would make him the self proclaimed Chuck Norris of the industry.

http://hippiekiller.files.wordpress....08/06/bobs.jpgThere it is

Maybe you should have just dropped it, or can't you do that?

With the standard staffing levels at RAH, dropping a trip to open is next to impossible. There are the occasional excpetions, but you generally plan to fly what you are awarded.

RAH likes to run lean. well, HR likes us to run lean. as of 9/8, there were zero FO reserves on the S5 certificate. they've been using CAs as FO reserves all month.

i couldn't drop a trip the minute that trip trading opened up because we have no reserves.

Are ya sure?

Because why am I in a crashpad calling crewsched every two hours begging to be used in ORD.

Probably, b/c if you are who are I think you are, they weren't planning on you be available for this month so all of the open time was covered with CA reserves. Now we have some FO reserves on S5 who were saved from the furlough. Things will be back to normal next month.

Oh I understand that.

I was just pointing out to BT that there are in fact reserves available doing nothing but playing super nintendo games on thier laptops when there are few guys on flica that are begging to have a few trips dropped this month.

Yeah, the thing that sucks about FLICA is that you can't drop trips directly to a reserve. If the system doesn't see 5ish on the day you want to drop, forget it.

If you want to work, call crew scheduling and ask to be released because you have something very important to do, watch how fast you get called.
You'll catch on

And Flica puts a * on whatever day you want to ask off so it's marked on your calendar.

flica sucks. i'm pretty sure i've been DENIED over 60 times now. it's not quite the magical bruhaha that it was advertised to be. might as well change the url to joehatesme.net...

I was skeptical about the change from Flica to Sked+ at EV but so far it's working out really well

the question then rises of whether or not your company has set things up good for them, or for you. the way RAH does reserves is different from most other places i've seen. they build up a reserve's schedule within 3 days of awards coming out. thus, below min reserves for most of the month.

if sked+ comes with smarter use of reserves, then please, sign me up. cause i'm gonna be back on reserve again come november.