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OnTheWayUp 09-17-2008 08:11 PM

any ASA info?
 
Haven't heard anything new about ASA in a while. Anything interesting going on in the company? Any chance they will be hiring anytime in the near future?

HercDriver130 09-17-2008 09:18 PM

in the near future.......doubtful.

broncoflyer8912 09-18-2008 05:07 AM

We currently have a "Where's Brad?" activity going on where people can get a cut-out of BH's face and take a picture with it at their vacation locale. LOL

cbram 09-18-2008 06:31 AM

were now doing jeopardy questions for fun..........but as of new planes/hiring/flying, nothing new

flyingkangaroo 09-18-2008 06:36 AM

We are painting the rest of the jets in the new delta paint scheme! It is scheduled to be finished about a year after Delta decides to change to another paint scheme.

Nothing new. I doubt we will have any sort of news until the Norelta merger is complete.

JetPipeOverht 09-18-2008 09:49 AM

Stagnant....to coin ASA's company website " No news is good news "

SayAgain 09-18-2008 11:55 AM

Supposedly we're getting an increase in November flying. I think we're down to about 9 ATR's, and they're still leaving. And what was the final verdict on the 3 airplanes involved in the BTR "incident"?

Also, still awarding coma lines and personal leaves and our lines are down to 75 hours. No word of any hiring. I think they are still working hard at trying to get us some more flying from somewhere. We seem to be pretty fat on pilots right now.

Otherwise we're in the middle of employee appreciation week - jeopardy games, where's BH contests, ice cream social on Friday, and wasn't there free Chick-fil-A in there somewhere? Could it be better, yes - but could be a lot worse!

afterburn81 09-18-2008 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by SayAgain (Post 464185)
Supposedly we're getting an increase in November flying. I think we're down to about 9 ATR's, and they're still leaving. And what was the final verdict on the 3 airplanes involved in the BTR "incident"?

Also, still awarding coma lines and personal leaves and our lines are down to 75 hours. No word of any hiring. I think they are still working hard at trying to get us some more flying from somewhere. We seem to be pretty fat on pilots right now.

Otherwise we're in the middle of employee appreciation week - jeopardy games, where's BH contests, ice cream social on Friday, and wasn't there free Chick-fil-A in there somewhere? Could it be better, yes - but could be a lot worse!



I'm pretty junior on the 700 and my line is blocked at 91 hours for oct. And that is without Int. I kind of hope they don't integrate me. That's a ton of flying!

USMC3197 09-18-2008 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 464208)
I'm pretty junior on the 700 and my line is blocked at 91 hours for oct. And that is without Int. I kind of hope they don't integrate me. That's a ton of flying!

700 had higher block hrs then that 200 this month.

JetJock16 09-18-2008 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by broncoflyer8912 (Post 463881)
We currently have a "Where's Brad?" activity going on where people can get a cut-out of BH's face and take a picture with it at their vacation locale. LOL

I've never been a real big fan of BH but no news is good news………........or would you prefer a portion of your pilot group standing in the unemployment line?

atlmsl 09-18-2008 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 464239)
I've never been a real big fan of BH but no news is good news………........or would you prefer a portion of your pilot group standing in the unemployment line?

I've heard a few SKW guys say they don't like BH. Did he do something there that we don't know about. Most of ASA has only good things to say about him.

JetPipeOverht 09-18-2008 04:28 PM

He's a bulldog who doesn't take cr@p from anyone and holds people accountable for their actions....i suppose they didn't enjoy that over there

broncoflyer8912 09-18-2008 05:29 PM

ATR retirement party tomorrow, there will be punch, and everyone will get to put there John Hancock on the bird as we send her back to the manufacturer.

JetJock16 09-18-2008 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht (Post 464342)
He's a bulldog who doesn't take cr@p from anyone and holds people accountable for their actions....i suppose they didn't enjoy that over there

I'm glad to see you all are drinking his Kool-Aid. BTW he's no bulldog, we’ve accomplished 5 times more without him than we did with him.

Good riddance.

atlmsl 09-18-2008 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 464402)
I'm glad to see you all are drinking his Kool-Aid. BTW he's no bulldog, we’ve accomplished 5 times more without him than we did with him.

Good riddance.

What was his position over there? It's interesting to hear the comparison because we've accomplished 5 times more with him here than we did without him. Maybe it was good for both of us. I'm just curious as to the dislike from SKW.

MatchPoint 09-18-2008 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 464429)
What was his position over there? It's interesting to hear the comparison because we've accomplished 5 times more with him here than we did without him. Maybe it was good for both of us. I'm just curious as to the dislike from SKW.

Director of FLT Ops. He was more like a bump on a log in FLT Ops; I'm not saying that he's a bad guy. He was just more of a road block who never listened and didn't seem to give a cr*p about his pilots.

He's also one of the reasons why our then President of SAPA is now at Alaska Airlines, having feared for his job and decided to seek greener pastures.

JetJock16 09-18-2008 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 464451)
Director of FLT Ops. He was more like a bump on a log in FLT Ops; I'm not saying that he's a bad guy. He was just more of a road block who never listened and didn't seem to give a cr*p about his pilots.

He's also one of the reasons why our then President of SAPA is now at Alaska Airlines, having feared for his job and decided to seek greener pastures.

Yes, that was a BS move on Mgmnt's (BH) part. It's a rather long story for those who don't know but it all went down around the time the ALPA drive was in full swing as well as the ALPA lawsuit. Our then President was an ALPA supporter and a huge pilot advocate. He (our then SAPA Pres.) tried to hold BH and Mgmnt accountable for their promises and policies. They say that you could hear him yelling at BH from the other side of St. George telling him that if SKW wants to remain union free they better start holding up their end, BH was a true road block in our progress. The best part was that once BH had left and we got a new SAPA president, we ended up with almost everything our then President was working for.

We had a good relationship with Mgmnt when Holt was here, but now that he's gone we have a good working relationship with Mgmnt.

tyrael37 09-18-2008 07:17 PM

I might be a little late on the uptake, but I did notice that all if not most of October's flying has flight numbers that in the 5###'s. Anyone know Delta's new number scheme? Who was in the 5K before the switch?

USMC3197 09-18-2008 07:18 PM

I agree with atlmsl, sounds like it worked out well for both ASA and SKW. I personally have nothing bad to say about BH. He is the only CPO I have had that responded to e-mails from a little old line worker, me. Shows me that everyone ones word matters to him and the company. It also also good to hear that you guys at SKW are happy, we are graded as a whole on wall st.

USMC3197 09-18-2008 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by tyrael37 (Post 464464)
I might be a little late on the uptake, but I did notice that all if not most of October's flying has flight numbers that in the 5###'s. Anyone know Delta's new number scheme? Who was in the 5K before the switch?

There was an e-mail out that said that ASA was going to start using 4### and 5### from Delta. I think the reason was in the e-mail but I dont remember what it was.

atlmsl 09-18-2008 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by daniel0265 (Post 464465)
I agree with atlmsl, sounds like it worked out well for both ASA and SKW. I personally have nothing bad to say about BH. He is the only CPO I have had that responded to e-mails from a little old line worker, me. Shows me that everyone ones word matters to him and the company. It also also good to hear that you guys at SKW are happy, we are graded as a whole on wall st.

Yeah it's just interesting because he has been very pilot friendly since coming aboard. Maybe he was under pressure from someone else when at SKW??? Who knows, glad it appears to be a good deal for both of us though.

JetJock16 09-18-2008 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by daniel0265 (Post 464465)
I agree with atlmsl, sounds like it worked out well for both ASA and SKW. I personally have nothing bad to say about BH. He is the only CPO I have had that responded to e-mails from a little old line worker, me. Shows me that everyone ones word matters to him and the company. It also also good to hear that you guys at SKW are happy, we are graded as a whole on wall st.

Well I'm very happy to hear that he's now changing his ways. He needs to not just be a company man when it comes to Mgmnt but also when it comes to his labor groups.

JetJock16 09-18-2008 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 464470)
Yeah it's just interesting because he has been very pilot friendly since coming aboard. Maybe he was under pressure from someone else when at SKW??? Who knows, glad it appears to be a good deal for both of us though.

The one main thing that I did respect about Holt was that when you asked for something he always gave it to you straight. Too bad his answer was ALWAYS..............NO. Hey he was consistent. LOL! :D

atlmsl 09-18-2008 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 464472)
Well I'm very happy to hear that he's now changing his ways. He needs to not just be a company man when it comes to Mgmnt but also when it comes to his labor groups.

Guess we'll see when negotiations ramp up in a few years.:rolleyes:

JetJock16 09-18-2008 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 464476)
Guess we'll see when negotiations ramp up in a few years.:rolleyes:

Time will tell but in the end he will do what’s good for the company and the majority of it will be good for you guys as well. Look for him to take the SKW mentality and implement it ASA.

atlmsl 09-18-2008 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 464475)
The one main thing that I did respect about Holt was that when you asked for something he always gave it to you straight. Too bad his answer was ALWAYS..............NO. Hey he was consistent. LOL! :D

He was quick to get us crew meals and a line check airman told him the planes didn't have sun visors in them and BH said he was going to take care of that. Sure enough last week I saw a brand new set of visors in one of the planes with that planes tail number on it. Hopefully I start seeing more of those. It's little things like that that make a difference, in my opinion.

JetJock16 09-18-2008 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 464481)
He was quick to get us crew meals and a line check airman told him the planes didn't have sun visors in them and BH said he was going to take care of that. Sure enough last week I saw a brand new set of visors in one of the planes with that planes tail number on it. Hopefully I start seeing more of those. It's little things like that that make a difference, in my opinion.

Glad to hear it. ASA needs a good working relationship with Mgmnt and Jerry probably fired him up with one of his famous speeches which caused him to correct his ways. Now he's bound and determined to turn all of you into company men so that we can meet the demands of our codeshare contract. In order for the company to succeed it’s imperative that they correct the errors of your former Mgmnt team and get all of you on board.

Reagan’s words are probably ringing in his ears.................."Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

atlmsl 09-18-2008 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 464499)
Glad to hear it. ASA needs a good working relationship with Mgmnt and Jerry probably fired him up with one of his famous speeches which caused him to correct his ways. Now he's bound and determined to turn all of you into company men so that we can meet the demands of our codeshare contract. In order for the company to succeed it’s imperative that they correct the errors of your former Mgmnt team and get all of you on board.

Ha, heard this from many people, but being bought by SKW was the best thing to happen to ASA......... so far.

JetJock16 09-18-2008 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 464504)
Ha, heard this from many people, but being bought by SKW was the best thing to happen to ASA......... so far.

I live in ATL (Roswell. GA) and I used to be based there as well. We didn't have parking for a very long time but the minute BH took over at ASA we ended up with ASA parking passed. RG (Chief Pilot him ORD) called him on the phone and the next day we all had them in our boxes. That did impress me.

The very first time I parked in the lot, not ONE ASA pilot would talk to us. I didn't care that much, I'm proud to be working for SKW; but over time I could see that change was happening and it was/is for the good.

Best of luck to all our brother at ASA.

atlmsl 09-18-2008 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 464511)
I live in ATL (Roswell. GA) and I used to be based there as well. We didn't have parking for a very long time but the minute BH took over at ASA we ended up with ASA parking passed. RG (Chief Pilot him ORD) called him on the phone and the next day we all had them in our boxes. That did impress me.

The very first time I parked in the lot, not ONE ASA pilot would talk to us. I didn't care that much, I'm proud to be working for SKW, but over time it all started to change and it's a change for the good.

Best of luck to all our brother at ASA.

I'm glad to hear that. Carried on many of conversations with SKW guys on the bus. And I don't know how you commute out there from Roswell. My ride from Vinings everyday is just beautiful.

Diver Driver 09-18-2008 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by tyrael37 (Post 464464)
I might be a little late on the uptake, but I did notice that all if not most of October's flying has flight numbers that in the 5###'s. Anyone know Delta's new number scheme? Who was in the 5K before the switch?

Comair was all 5K numbers until this month, we changed to 6K flight numbers... who knows... :rolleyes:

JetJock16 09-18-2008 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 464513)
I'm glad to hear that. Carried on many of conversations with SKW guys on the bus. And I don't know how you commute out there from Roswell. My ride from Vinings everyday is just beautiful.

Roswell is gorgeous, I live just north of the river.

I take Marta from the Sandy Springs station seeing my wife works in the building just above it (I park in her parking structure). I'm not a fan of Marta but it does save me over $250 in fuel each month.

resetjet 09-18-2008 08:05 PM

Free parking at Sandy Springs for 24 hours is great for the naps too!

JetJock16 09-18-2008 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by resetjet (Post 464521)
Free parking at Sandy Springs for 24 hours is great for the naps too!

Yes and if you go over 24 hours it's just $4 per day. But I now park in my wife’s structure that's at the corner of Peachtree Dunwoody Rd and Abernathy; it’s completely FREE with her company pass and seeing that I fly 4 day trips.................I'm saving a lot of money as well as wear and tear on my truck!

broncoflyer8912 09-18-2008 08:19 PM

The reason for the flight number change stated in the ASA email had to do with the impending merger to open up numbers for some of the Northwest/Airlink stuff I believe. I'll look for the actual e-mail and quote it.

MatchPoint 09-19-2008 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 464460)
Yes, that was a BS move on Mgmnt's (BH) part. It's a rather long story for those who don't know but it all went down around the time the ALPA drive was in full swing as well as the ALPA lawsuit. Our then President was an ALPA supporter and a huge pilot advocate. He (our then SAPA Pres.) tried to hold BH and Mgmnt accountable for their promises and policies. They say that you could hear him yelling at BH from the other side of St. George telling him that if SKW wants to remain union free they better start holding up their end, BH was a true road block in our progress. The best part was that once BH had left and we got a new SAPA president, we ended up with almost everything our then President was working for.

We had a good relationship with Mgmnt when Holt was here, but now that he's gone we have a good working relationship with Mgmnt.

Our current SAPA President is a great guy but our then SAPA President was exactly who we needed to deal with Brad "Stone Wall" Holt. It was BS what BH and Mgmnt did to him causing him to fear for his job and eventually resign after accepting a new position at Alaska Airlines.

Holt's a tried & true "Jerry's Kid" and he'll give all of you at ASA no more than what Jerry's willing to give up. But understand that Mgmnt truly cares about their employees and they’ve proved it time and time again. Once I needed off early to make a FLT home when my kid came down ill, they let me off and (without asking) they positive spaced me.

I've had Jerry Atkins in my jumpseat a few times in and out of SGU and the guy has a lot of respect for his employees. He’s told us several times that we all deserve more but it's a numbers game and we all have to play it. In the end all of you at ASA will learn to respect our Mgmnt team for their dedication to our future and their employee’s future. You can see what I mean by the fact that even after your TA has been approved they are continuing to improve life at ASA whereas most airlines will never go above what they have agreed to in a forced TA. They also haven’t announced any furloughs which should tell you that they would rather dip into their huge reserve (something like $1.3B in the bank & growing) in order to maintain high moral and high employee/employer satisfaction than place one person on the street.

People often tell us that we at SKW are drinking way to much Kool-Aid, well we are but there’s a good reason for it.

BTW, I voted yes for ALPA.

jmoney 09-19-2008 07:15 PM

Bh
 
Well, Here is what things look like to me....

BH is at least somewhat COMPETENT..... That is something we have never, ever had here at ASA. You would not believe all the clowns we have had in charge thru the years.

BH is mgmt, of course-so he will not always give you the moon and the stars. BUT-He does communicate, and if you send him an e-mail, stuff will happen (if you have a good gripe.)

In the past, we have had goons who were so cheap they would not even get a 1-800 number for dispatch or scheduling. No crap-when I was new, if you were DFW-based and needed to talk to someone in ATL on company business (even sked and dispatch), you had to pay for the freaking call yourself!

Then came DAL. I thought they would fix all our troubles! Boy, I sure was wrong!! Those guys sent over the two biggest goombahs you ever have seen. SB and BL ran this place like complete retards! Those DAL flunkies had a bunch of money to throw around, but mainly spent it all on GO people..... I remember one time we had a "Annual Award of Blah, Blah, Blah" the purpose of this reward was to give something cool to everyday working slobs...... Anyhow, the grand prize for all the people who won that (about 25 or so) was a week at a resort in Cancun (on the company.) I was thinking "awesome, we will finally see some everyday folks getting something cool." I opened our little ASA publication to see who the winners were, and damn if every single one of them was not a G.O. jerkoff!! Every single one!!!! So much for the little guy! Anyhow, the G.O. just turned into a money-splurging hell-hole under DAL leadership... It was a huge mess! Our on-time performance was crap, our morale was horrible, and we were all unhappy. The only people who enjoyed those times were in that G.O. building, all slapping one another on the back and congratulating each other on their great work!

All I can say for sure is that BH is light-years ahead of what we have had! He might not be perfect, he might not be a true pilot cheerleader but damn if he isn't doing a whole hell of a lot better than what we have had! So, I think it may be a matter of perspective-when your expectations are so low, maybe it is not so hard to impress....

-As for me, I think Brad is OK so far-time will tell, but things are really looking up for morale among most people I know. Our performance numbers are way better than they were.. I have always said that we have all the ingredients of a good airline, we just needed someone running things to put it all together-I really think Brad may be that guy!

John Pennekamp 09-21-2008 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 464511)
I live in ATL (Roswell. GA) and I used to be based there as well. We didn't have parking for a very long time but the minute BH took over at ASA we ended up with ASA parking passed. RG (Chief Pilot him ORD) called him on the phone and the next day we all had them in our boxes. That did impress me.

The very first time I parked in the lot, not ONE ASA pilot would talk to us. I didn't care that much, I'm proud to be working for SKW; but over time I could see that change was happening and it was/is for the good.

Best of luck to all our brother at ASA.

Or maybe you got passes because SkyWest opened up an ATL crew base then? Ya Think?

John Pennekamp 09-21-2008 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 464460)
Yes, that was a BS move on Mgmnt's (BH) part. It's a rather long story for those who don't know but it all went down around the time the ALPA drive was in full swing as well as the ALPA lawsuit. Our then President was an ALPA supporter and a huge pilot advocate. He (our then SAPA Pres.) tried to hold BH and Mgmnt accountable for their promises and policies. They say that you could hear him yelling at BH from the other side of St. George telling him that if SKW wants to remain union free they better start holding up their end, BH was a true road block in our progress. The best part was that once BH had left and we got a new SAPA president, we ended up with almost everything our then President was working for.

We had a good relationship with Mgmnt when Holt was here, but now that he's gone we have a good working relationship with Mgmnt.

Maybe ASA was so screwed up before Brad that he looked like our savior compared to the past "leaders". SkyWest, OTH has always had a good labor-management relationship, so BH being a little bullish while following orders came off badly.

JetJock16 09-21-2008 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 465741)
Or maybe you got passes because SkyWest opened up an ATL crew base then? Ya Think?

ATL was opened on April 1st of 07 as a reserve base (with only 3 reserve lines) and then as a line domicile (with 17 lines) three months later on July 1st; we didn't get Lot C passes until 08 and I believe BH's first day at ASA was on December 1st of 07. Also ASA had been under SKW Mgmnt's control for almost 2 years when ATL opened. Actually we didn't have any parking until September/Octoberish when we started receiving passes to Prefight.

So I know what I’m talking about, I was the #2 line holder there for almost a year until I accepted upgrade.

PS. I should have phrased my previous posting this way: "after BH took over and RG called him about our problem, we had ATL passes the next day." But then again RG and BH are extremely good friends, boarder line best buds.


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