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BURflyer 09-22-2008 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 466364)
That's rediculous. I could take a 20 year old guy in torn blue jeans, a tshirt with holes in in or flip flops, or a mainline guy who actually respects the professional courtesy and is nicely dressed I picked the latter. Live with it.

I would do the same but as long as they're nicely dressed and are not going to and from work, it shouldn't be a bid deal.

IBPilot 09-22-2008 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by BURflyer (Post 466363)
It's not about respect, it's about being on a power trip, especially as a regional pilot. I jump on Southwest all the time in everything short of flipflops everyone couldn't be nicer.


a gojet guy lecturing another regional CA.....classic:rolleyes:

mooney 09-22-2008 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by BURflyer (Post 466363)
It's not about respect, it's about being on a power trip, especially as a regional pilot. I jump on Southwest all the time in everything short of flipflops everyone couldn't be nicer.


Originally Posted by BURflyer (Post 466368)
I would do the same but as long as they're nicely dressed and are not going to and from work, it shouldn't be a bid deal.

uhh so which is it? I'm on a power trip or you would do the same thing?

IBPilot 09-22-2008 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by skidmark (Post 466349)
Boy RJ pilots cooler than I thought. I bet you have told this story to every FO since. After you make them call you Captain of course.


ahhh yes the famous "im a better pilot than you because I am now at a major, even though I don't know your background" argument. :rolleyes: Especially by a guy that if he even is at a major, has been there less than 5 months

skidmark 09-22-2008 12:23 PM

Lookie here, I just think it is funny that pilots are deciding what is appropriate or not to wear. There have been many threads on this subject and it is so comical because people get defensive. I am not going to a wedding, I am getting on an airplane. Whoopdy freakin doo! As far as the "Frat Daddy" person goes let them on. They might be a good time. I wear my uniform or RJ Captain approved pants.

IBPilot 09-22-2008 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by skidmark (Post 466462)
Lookie here, I just think it is funny that pilots are deciding what is appropriate or not to wear. There have been many threads on this subject and it is so comical because people get defensive. I am not going to a wedding, I am getting on an airplane. Whoopdy freakin doo! As far as the "Frat Daddy" person goes let them on. They might be a good time. I wear my uniform or RJ Captain approved pants.


well whoop de doo for you. Maybe your lawyer should show up to court and represent you in a t shirt and sweatpants and underwear with skidmarks.
AND it's not just pilots deciding what is proper, it is companys per the FOM and tradition and repect. Same reason we have clothing standards for non reving on company aircraft and interline. Something new know it alls like you know little about.

skidmark 09-22-2008 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 466466)
well whoop de doo for you. Maybe your lawyer should show up to court and represent you in a t shirt and sweatpants and underwear with skidmarks.
AND it's not just pilots deciding what is proper, it is companys per the FOM and tradition and repect. Same reason we have clothing standards for non reving on company aircraft and interline. Something new know it alls like you know little about.


Don't worry the Lawyer who would win my case could have the %40 of my underwear that is in question of these supposed "Skid Marks". (maybe I should lay off the mexican food).

mooney 09-22-2008 12:41 PM

Theres a time to dress professionally and a time to dress comfortably. Luckily the majority of people in the industry and on this forum don't need mommy to lay their clothes out for them for the proper situation. But obviously 2 or 3 still do.

skidmark 09-22-2008 12:41 PM

Can we have a group hug if I promise to wash my hands?

mooney 09-22-2008 12:46 PM

no we are not sure where your hands have been. and get that finger out of your ear......do you know where that finger's been??

filejw 09-22-2008 02:08 PM

To bad TWA is gone, at one time they could have beards....that would really have some of these guys in a tizzy.

BURflyer 09-22-2008 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 466370)
a gojet guy lecturing another regional CA.....classic:rolleyes:

What's your beef, GJ is GJ, not TSA. It's our flying with seperate union, contract and good rates. At least we're not forcing mainline out of a job and replacing them with our 70 seaters.

TBucket 09-22-2008 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by BURflyer (Post 466566)
What's your beef, GJ is GJ, not TSA. It's our flying with seperate union, contract and good rates. At least we're not forcing mainline out of a job and replacing them with our 70 seaters.


Cue another Hojet thread in 3...2....1...

(And it's not your flying, it's TSA's flying.)

BURflyer 09-22-2008 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by TBucket (Post 466582)
Cue another Hojet thread in 3...2....1...

(And it's not your flying, it's TSA's flying.)

Then why didn't you get it? Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

The Juice 09-22-2008 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by TBucket (Post 466582)
Cue another Hojet thread in 3...2....1...

(And it's not your flying, it's TSA's flying.)

No, it's mainline's flying.

TBucket 09-22-2008 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by BURflyer (Post 466587)
Then why didn't you get it? Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

'Cause mgmt created an alter ego carrier to do it for us when we demanded more money for bigger planes. We tried to raise the bar, and instead, they brought in people willing to sell out their fellow pilots and do it for less.

Honestly, why do you think people dislike gojet pilots? It's not 'cause your planes are shinier than ours. It's because very day you go to work, you're lowering the bar for an entire industry of people who are already vastly undercompensated. But hey, you got to fly shiny jets.

TBucket 09-22-2008 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 466612)
No, it's mainline's flying.

You're right. I'll be the first on board when we give ALL jets to mainline and we all get our mainline seniority numbers (and vastly larger paychecks).

WIFlyer 09-23-2008 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by TBucket (Post 466706)
'Cause mgmt created an alter ego carrier to do it for us when we demanded more money for bigger planes. We tried to raise the bar, and instead, they brought in people willing to sell out their fellow pilots and do it for less.

Honestly, why do you think people dislike gojet pilots? It's not 'cause your planes are shinier than ours. It's because very day you go to work, you're lowering the bar for an entire industry of people who are already vastly undercompensated. But hey, you got to fly shiny jets.

and shinniness wears off, then what are you left with?

Hetman 09-23-2008 05:53 AM

In a perfect world, the question of proper dress for the jumpseat would never arise. Everyone would just know and act accordingly rather than try to determine what the limits are.

yawdamp 09-23-2008 12:22 PM

It is understood that below QUESTION 'crosses the line,' yet hypothetical...

QUESTION:
Could you have a cocktail before jumpseating?

Is a a jumpseater (sitting on flightdeck) considered 'available crew'? Example: in case of working pilot incapacitation or another UA 232?

How about if cabin jumpseating?

Cycle Pilot 09-23-2008 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by yawdamp (Post 467140)
It is understood that below QUESTION 'crosses the line,' yet hypothetical...

QUESTION:
Could you have a cocktail before jumpseating?

Is a a jumpseater (sitting on flightdeck) considered 'available crew'? Example: in case of working pilot incapacitation or another UA 232?

How about if cabin jumpseating?

No. You cannot drink while jumpseating in the cabin or the cockpit. You are part of the crew and can be asked to assist at any time. Alcohol FAR's apply.

Hetman 09-23-2008 12:48 PM

It should never have occurred to anyone that it was even a question.

mooney 09-23-2008 12:51 PM

he just wanted to get the discussion to 10 pages. :)
Plus I'm sure 2 or 3 will chime in saying it's ok to drink before jumpseating...:rolleyes:

Hetman 09-23-2008 12:57 PM

Eight inches bottle to throttle. Eight feet for drugs.

Seatownflyer 09-23-2008 05:56 PM

Had a guy jumpseat with us the other day. He hops on board, pokes his head in and says, "Hey dudes! Thanks for the ride!" then leaves. The captain and I were so dumbfounded by this that we just stared at each other for a bit before we realized what just happened. The worst part is he works for us. ?!?

boilerpilot 09-23-2008 06:14 PM

I always stick my head into the cockpit and say thanks for the ride, but I introduce myself first and make sure it is indeed ok for me to get a ride. I will, however, occasionally have a drink if I'm in the cabin IF I'm completely out of uniform.

todd1200 09-23-2008 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Seatownflyer (Post 467363)
Had a guy jumpseat with us the other day. He hops on board, pokes his head in and says, "Hey dudes! Thanks for the ride!" then leaves. The captain and I were so dumbfounded by this that we just stared at each other for a bit before we realized what just happened. The worst part is he works for us. ?!?

If he works for you maybe he was non-reving?

navigatro 09-23-2008 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by boilerpilot (Post 467375)
I always stick my head into the cockpit and say thanks for the ride, but I introduce myself first and make sure it is indeed ok for me to get a ride. I will, however, occasionally have a drink if I'm in the cabin IF I'm completely out of uniform.

If you are jumpseating (as opposed to non-rev), then you are PROHIBITED from consuming alcohol for 8 hours prior to the flight.

Being out of uniform will only make you less likely to be abused once you are taken to jail.

Lab Rat 09-24-2008 06:23 AM

Sometimes I smoke a cigar while jumpseating. :D

Deez340 09-24-2008 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by mccube5 (Post 465958)
had a NWA CA deny a buddy a jumpseat cuz he wasnt clean shaven. and it was only day old scruff.

Good..................

rickair7777 09-24-2008 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Seatownflyer (Post 467363)
Had a guy jumpseat with us the other day. He hops on board, pokes his head in and says, "Hey dudes! Thanks for the ride!" then leaves. The captain and I were so dumbfounded by this that we just stared at each other for a bit before we realized what just happened. The worst part is he works for us. ?!?

If he works for you, maybe he was nonreving?

We are pretty relaxed about our own guys jumpseating...

Seatownflyer 09-24-2008 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 467728)
If he works for you, maybe he was nonreving?

We are pretty relaxed about our own guys jumpseating...

To be honest I don't remember now. Long four day. bleh.

N9373M 08-13-2010 06:55 PM

Two Reasons
 
I could care less what you look like if you're getting a ride AND there is no way to identify you as a pilot or FA.

I saw it today - flip flops, jeans and carry ons clearly marked "CREW", plus the conversation with the gate agent sealed it.

I see a "CREW" bag and flip flops, that just reeks of unprofessionalism.

Secondly, and more importantly, it's a safety issue. If the plane does go down, you're trained to assist and aid the pax who don't have a clue. You're not going to be able to do a very good job with bloody stumps as the flip-flops get trashed by the strewn metal.

However, the GF of the guy non-revving had the appropriate daisy-dukes attire. :)

SuperPilotJesse 08-13-2010 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by N9373M (Post 855550)
I could care less what you look like if you're getting a ride AND there is no way to identify you as a pilot or FA.

I saw it today - flip flops, jeans and carry ons clearly marked "CREW", plus the conversation with the gate agent sealed it.

I see a "CREW" bag and flip flops, that just reeks of unprofessionalism.

Secondly, and more importantly, it's a safety issue. If the plane does go down, you're trained to assist and aid the pax who don't have a clue. You're not going to be able to do a very good job with bloody stumps as the flip-flops get trashed by the strewn metal.

However, the GF of the guy non-revving had the appropriate daisy-dukes attire. :)

Nice Necropost.

Who cares what his bag said... anyone can buy one of those.

If he is non-revving and the airline allows flip flops like Delta does then he has every right to wear them. If you think that is unprofessional then you should take it up with the rule makers; not the rule followers.

I don't think he is obligated to help passengers because he is an employee. Therefore, his footwear would not impede him not helping... if he didn't want to.

N9373M 08-13-2010 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by SuperPilotJesse (Post 855554)
Nice Necropost.

I had to look up "necropost" I guess it's a generational thing (I've got 20 years on you). The dudes and the professionals.

SuperPilotJesse 08-13-2010 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by N9373M (Post 855567)
I had to look up "necropost" I guess it's a generational thing. The dudes and the professionals.

No I think you're wrong. Again.

Technological savviness knows no age.

N9373M 08-13-2010 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by SuperPilotJesse (Post 855569)
No I think you're wrong. Again.

Technological savviness knows no age.

Poor grammar on my part. I am in IT. My comment was meant to relate that the dudes wear the fflops, the pros wear what I consider proper attire. Let's agree to let this thread re-necro.

SuperPilotJesse 08-13-2010 08:21 PM

I disagree.

If you are non-revving you and your airline says you can do something then you should not be looked down on for doing that.

My airline has put out rules about what is appropriate. Therefore, as long as I meet those standards I consider it professionally acceptable.

N9373M 08-14-2010 01:46 AM

I see your point. If you adhere to company policy, then you're golden. The public may not know your policy and consider the appearance not so golden.

I've just been handed off to center, so I'll have to pick this conversation up later. Good Day.

For giggles and technospeak, this is the best :YouTube - Rockwell Retro Encabulator

NoStep 08-14-2010 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by N9373M (Post 855615)
....

For giggles and technospeak, this is the best :YouTube - Rockwell Retro Encabulator


Ahahaha!!....the funniest part is this is a serious video clip! I watched most of it, and am still not sure it's English.

(I could swear I saw a Dan Akroyd skit like this back in the 70's. Either "The Groove Tube" or "Kentucky Fried Movie"...)


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