Jumpseating appearance
 

So yes I did a search but couldn't find what I was looking for, I also read the article on APC but it was a little... misleading?

So the article says "business casual when upfront"... or am I just wrong I was under the impression that it was BC anytime jumpseating.

But what my real question is, when JSing is it expected to be clean shaven, even if you are sure you will be sitting in the cabin? For instance hopefully I'll be in Thailand for about a week... do I need to take my razor with me for the flight back? Or is some growth okay?

I know this is stupid, but it's the things I think about.

Clean shaven for jumpseating, always.

Was that you jumpseating on my flight yesterday? :D

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Always business casual, always clean shaven. You gave up being a hippy when you started this job.

And freshly showered please.... And for the love of God save the Taco Bell for the drive home from the airport.

Here's some advice, Thai girls don't wear makeup.

Again with these fashion police threads. I personally like the pajama look with smelly fast food in hand and I always ask to try on the Captain's hat when I ask permission to ride on his plane.

Hahahaha...I doubt he has any idea what you're talking about :eek:

I have seen plenty of folks jumpseat with a three-day shave, myself included. If it's offline, I'd probably try to shave though.

Sounds like you are the one with an attitude. If the reg says no jeans, then NO jeans. Don't like it? Then don't jumpseat.

Huh? I always thought jeans was not business casual. I always wear khakis and a collared shirt when jumpseating, even if I know I'm going to get a seat in back. So whenever I non-rev, I always throw in a pair of nice pants into my roller bag, just in case. In fact when I got back from Europe yesterday, I slipped into my khakis so I could jumpseat on another airline to get the rest of the way home.

i kicked off a guy in jeans a few weeks ago. Jeans, flip flops and tshirt. looked like he came straight from a frat party. not only because my fom prohibits jeans, but so the pax dont think it is "bring your kid to work" day. it's really no harder to put on a pair of khakis and look professional than it is to put on jeans. grow up.

I've seen an AA gate agent deny an AA pilot jumpseating on AA because his shoes did not meet the requirement. FWIW

relaxing has nothing to do with it. People need to act and dress responsibly. I know all the 300 hour pilot flight schools act like jumpseating is a right, but it is not.

I'm surprised they let him on the jumpseat anyway... Those guys don't get to ride on us, even if they're wearing tuxedos...

This guy works at Gojet!!!???? Why'd I even take the time to respond!!? LOL!!! :rolleyes:

He was furloughed from TSA and signed on at GoJet.

Good moral character if you ask me.

He probably tried to interview at Skywest while wearing jeans!! :D

The shaving rule is interesting because with full faced O2 masks some airlines allow facial hair beyond a mustache. Jet Blue is one of them. Many airlines however have rules in their FOM that bar cockpit access with anything more then a mustache. If you want to make sure you can ride on every airline I would show up shaven.

If you are female, do you have to be COMPLETELY shaven?

I believe it is the captain's responsibility to verify this.

had a NWA CA deny a buddy a jumpseat cuz he wasnt clean shaven. and it was only day old scruff.

If that is NWA policy then he did the right thing. Your friend should have grabbed his razor and ducked into the lav and shaved. Captains have enough going on without having jumpseaters put them in a position where they can get in trouble for a violation of the companies FOM. When you show up asking for something you should error on the side of being conservative. Your dress and personal appearance should leave nothing to be questioned. Makes it easy and simple for everyone. Showing up any other way shows a lack of maturity.

Very good post. Don't put the Captain in that position to begin with. It's unfair... especially when you're the one asking for a ride!

im with ya buddy, and my friend that got denied didnt question it either. hes usually the most well put together guy out there, just ran short on time that morning. were professionals and part of that is leaving the house well put together.

Jumpseating on FedEx is great. Collared shirt (not tucked in), jeans, and tennis shoes is perfectly acceptable. They do, however, require you to be clean shaven.

careful....i know a guy that got lectured by a FDX captain and also got lectured by our ACP for doing just that...

Not that I don't believe you, but I find that hard to believe. The one time I've ridden on FedEx thus far, I was going from ORD to MEM. There were 5 jumpseaters on the MD-10, 4 FedEx guys and myself. Of the 8 people on board the airplane, 3 of us were in uniform...myself and the working crew. The other guys were in polo shirts and jeans. Some even had sneakers on.

I plan on using FedEx quite a bit more as they are the easiest way for me to get from the paradise that is the West Coast to the Sewer. I plan on being in uniform as I will be reporting for work. I'll get the opinion from the crews I ride with. FedEx is awesome. You guys treat offline guys great. The ride (and subsequent rides) were much appreciated and I look forward to using you guys again. You're always welcome on XJT...anytime!

I'm just going by the dress code that is posted on the wall in the jumpseat lounge in MEM. Every crew I have ever jumped with is super cool about it.

Go luck jumpseating out of thailand also man... I would buy several ZED fare's on many airlines... the only 2 us airlines out of there are UAL and NWA and they are full alot.. both airlines have many online and offline people trying to NON-REV out of BKK and you will be last on the list... and if you dont catch the capt before he gets on the plane they wont let you on to ask him/her.
Just some adivse I have been there many times, and it can get rough leaving BKK.

LMAO!
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I rode the NWA jumpseat in shorts and a polo just to help them out of a pax count screw up.

Boy RJ pilots cooler than I thought. I bet you have told this story to every FO since. After you make them call you Captain of course.

FedEx pilots jumpseating on FedEx aircraft are allowed to wear clean, nice jeans and tennis shoes.

I would not show up like that though if I were from another airline, nor should we show up like that to ride on yours. Our policy is business casual or uniform for offline jumpseating or deadheading, unless the carrier requires something more restrictive.

FJ

wow real mature answer there slick. Believe it or not I belive in following th FOM rules and showing some respect to the flight crew that I am asking for a ride from. But cowboys like you are waaay cooler than dudes like me that follow rules and have repect :rolleyes:

Actually, I have had a FedEx guy show up in tennis shoes.

It's not about respect, it's about being on a power trip, especially as a regional pilot. I jump on Southwest all the time in everything short of flipflops everyone couldn't be nicer.

That's rediculous. I could take a 20 year old guy in torn blue jeans, a tshirt with holes in in or flip flops, or a mainline guy who actually respects the professional courtesy and is nicely dressed I picked the latter. Live with it.

IMO, the bottom line is every situation is different. Example, this spring in GSO we showed up to find that a *possible* tornado had come over the field. NWA, Comair, AWAC planes all over the ramp grounded. Needless to say lots of cx'd flights. An offline pilot in jeans and sandals came up to ask if she could sit up front. There were 20 open seats last night and now 1/2 the flights were cx'd. On her way to a friend's wedding, given the cirumstances, I let her on. Would other people, maybe? Unless it specifically says something in the FOM, I treat every situation as it comes up.

Well said. would I have let the guy on had he been stranded cause of cancelled flights? most likely. Would I let him on knowing the guy was at a frat party till 3 am and had 4 more days to make it to work?

It has nothing to do with being on a power trip. We follow the rules, because that's what we're PAID to do. It's part of being a professional pilot, and respecting yourself, the rules, and others. As a jumpseater, it's your responsibility to know the dress code for whatever airline you're on. Southwest may be more lax while other airlines are more strict. Just cuz it's ok to jumpseat Southwest in flip flops, doesn't make it ok on Delta. And for that matter, I highly doubt it's ok to jumpseat Southwest in flip flops. I'd almost guarantee their FOM requires business casual attire. To put the Captain of that flight in a position to have to decide whether to kick you off because of your attire is unfair and unprofessional.