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dojetdriver 09-27-2008 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 469697)
Took me five minutes...

Clint. Very nice reference.

I'm glad somebody picked up on it;).

matlok 09-27-2008 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 469296)
Alot of people dont realize that the E-Jet was actually the Dornier-728....they had very little response...The company went bankrupt.....and Embraer bought the design and has sold hundreds.

How's that, if the E170 rolled out in Oct. 01 and first flew in Feb 02, but the 728 wasn't rolled out until March 02 with the first flight scheduled later that summer?

dojetdriver 09-28-2008 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 469296)
Alot of people dont realize that the E-Jet was actually the Dornier-728....they had very little response...The company went bankrupt.....and Embraer bought the design and has sold hundreds.

Although similar in design, I'm pretty sure this isn't true.

Flyboy8784 09-28-2008 01:13 PM

Well my apologies guys...This information came from a couple of the hire ups in our training dept.

It was explained to me that the 328 Prop formerly flown by AWAC was designed to have alot of very advanced avionics on it....which for its type is true...anyway the 328 was designed to be a test bed for the 728.....which AWAC was planning on replacing its BAe-146 with.

Again this was back a while ago...during the United Days.....so anyway...again I apologize....I was under the impression that folks in our training dept were credible....:D

dojetdriver 09-28-2008 01:40 PM

Double post.

dojetdriver 09-28-2008 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 469918)
It was explained to me that the 328 Prop formerly flown by AWAC was designed to have alot of very advanced avionics on it

It wasn't designed to have them, it did have them. The 328Jet had them as well. There are so many things the 328 had that I wish the ERJ had. VNAV, VHF preview mode, ILS ID, automatically transitioning from LNAV/ALT to LOC/ALT with GS armed when on an ILS approach, REAL FAEDEC's, etc.


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 469918)
....which for its type is true...anyway the 328 was designed to be a test bed for the 728.....which AWAC was planning on replacing its BAe-146 with.

Not really sure how a 32 seat turboprop would be an effective test bed for a 70 seat+ jet. Even the 328Jet had some carryover issues from the prop version. One was the autopilot and how it reacted to thrust changes when using VNAV.

However, I thought I read somewhere that a lot of the design for Bombardier's CSeries was borrowed from R&D that Fairchild/Dornier had done on the 728 series.


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 469918)
I was under the impression that folks in our training dept were credible....:D

Won't even comment on this one.

Flyboy8784 09-28-2008 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 469934)
It wasn't designed to have them, it did have them. The 328Jet had them as well. There are so many things the 328 had that I wish the ERJ had. VNAV, VHF preview mode, ILS ID, automatically transitioning from LNAV/ALT to LOC/ALT with GS armed when on an ILS approach, REAL FAEDEC's, etc.



Not really sure how a 32 seat turboprop would be an effective test bed for a 70 seat+ jet. Even the 328Jet had some carryover issues from the prop version. One was the autopilot and how it reacted to thrust changes when using VNAV.

However, I thought I read somewhere that a lot of the design for Bombardier's CSeries was borrowed from R&D that Fairchild/Dornier had done on the 728 series.



Won't even comment on this one.


I guess i should have been a bit more specific.....i didnt realize you were going to disect my post

The avionics package was put into the 328 Prop/jet for use as a test bed for the 728.

Not like it matters anyway because im wrong

HercDriver130 09-28-2008 04:40 PM

Sounds like many of the nice things on the E170/175/190


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 469934)
It wasn't designed to have them, it did have them. The 328Jet had them as well. There are so many things the 328 had that I wish the ERJ had. VNAV, VHF preview mode, ILS ID, automatically transitioning from LNAV/ALT to LOC/ALT with GS armed when on an ILS approach, REAL FAEDEC's, etc.



Not really sure how a 32 seat turboprop would be an effective test bed for a 70 seat+ jet. Even the 328Jet had some carryover issues from the prop version. One was the autopilot and how it reacted to thrust changes when using VNAV.

However, I thought I read somewhere that a lot of the design for Bombardier's CSeries was borrowed from R&D that Fairchild/Dornier had done on the 728 series.



Won't even comment on this one.


dojetdriver 09-28-2008 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 469977)
Not like it matters anyway because im wrong

Not saying you're wrong. But you summed it up yourself, you got information from a source that wasn't accurate.


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 470000)
Sounds like many of the nice things on the E170/175/190

I believe it has the Primus Epic series of avionics, is that correct? I heard that was a pretty nice setup. The only thing the Dornob was missing was the auto throttles, that would have made it really nice.


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