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Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 506964)
The current generation really needs to grow up, and stop whining. Historically, most at 121 airlines had well over 2,500 hours TT with their ATP before they ever stepped foot on the flight deck of a regional turboprop... They instructed, flew night charter, traffic reporting, banner towing, jumpers... anything to build time...
Recently we have seen part 121 arline hiring dip as low as 260 hours total time, going right into the right seat of a jet aircraft... These folks were very very very lucky, and they really need to catch up, get with the program, and stop whining. Oh, since you asked. 2,000/500 ATP-CFI-CFII-MEI before I went to a regional. First flying job... flying traffic reporting. Did CFI stuff part time, mostly for people willing to pay what I charged.... (meaning, I have never ever been the type to give it away for nothing just to log time)... I didn't have anywhere near as many students as the kids flying at the FBO... but I certainly made the same money they did, if not more... and I was teaching in much nicer equipment. I started instructing in college in Aug of 2005, and did that for a year and a half until I graduated in Dec of 2006 ... did CFI, CFII, MEI (keep them all current as well!!) After I graduated I was fully planning on instructing more, but got hired with Colgan and haven't looked back since ... I had right at 1000TT and 100Multi Instructing was by far the most beneficial thing I could have done. It gives you so much experience with handling adverse situations, dealing with people who don't know what they're doing, making quick decisions when something goes wrong, etc. I would recommend instructing before going to a bigger and better gig to anyone interested in this industry. The learning experience is invaluable! |
Originally Posted by proskuneho
(Post 506974)
By the way, how long did it take you? Did you have to walk up-hill both ways barefoot in the snow to get to your CFI job? LOL. :)
LOL.... been flying since 1983. I think I did about 4-5 years after getting my COM-CFI before I went to the airlines.... |
Originally Posted by captain152
(Post 506993)
I'm not sure ANYONE is whining here. This thread was created for informational purposes only ... but way to bring it down with that comment, lol.
Go read all the whining in many of the other posts before pointing your finger at me... And, if you tollerate poor performance, there is no correction, and no learning taking place... as a CFI, I would think that you would be aware of that.... so... tollerating the whining without helping them understand just how lucky they are is not doing them any good. |
First flying job.... USAF C-130..... no CFI for me.....
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Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 506995)
Go read all the whining in many of the other posts before pointing your finger at me...
And, if you tollerate poor performance, there is no correction, and no learning taking place... as a CFI, I would think that you would be aware of that.... so... tollerating the whining without helping them understand just how lucky they are is not doing them any good. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 506964)
The current generation really needs to grow up, and stop whining. Historically, most at 121 airlines had well over 2,500 hours TT with their ATP before they ever stepped foot on the flight deck of a regional turboprop... They instructed, flew night charter, traffic reporting, banner towing, jumpers... anything to build time...
Recently we have seen part 121 arline hiring dip as low as 260 hours total time, going right into the right seat of a jet aircraft... These folks were very very very lucky, and they really need to catch up, get with the program, and stop whining. Oh, since you asked. 2,000/500 ATP-CFI-CFII-MEI before I went to a regional. First flying job... flying traffic reporting. Did CFI stuff part time, mostly for people willing to pay what I charged.... (meaning, I have never ever been the type to give it away for nothing just to log time)... I didn't have anywhere near as many students as the kids flying at the FBO... but I certainly made the same money they did, if not more... and I was teaching in much nicer equipment. |
Originally Posted by proskuneho
(Post 507000)
I can teach a monkey to fly, but it is very difficult to teach a monkey to take personal responsibility and make responsible PIC decisions if things were always handed to them.
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6 months of part time instruction, about 1 1/4 year of full time instructing and I got about 1400 hours of dual given out of that which, for me, was invaluable. Hired in the spring of 07, just finished the upgrade. I was hired with 1800TT/50ME. We had a good mix of new hire times in my latest class, a few with 300-600 hrs and a few with 1500+ and 121 experience--they were all pretty good. My sim partner had about 600 hours and he took to the training very well and I am sure will make a great FO for us and one day CA. Maybe we got lucky in our class though.
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Originally Posted by proskuneho
(Post 507000)
Actually, that is a good point. Since I work at a career school, so many of my students are pursuing the career because they think it is easy and glamorous. There is no substitute for a genuine passion for flying. Some of these students were very difficult because they were used to being able to BUY anything (with their parent's money) instead of EARNING IT! I can teach a monkey to fly, but it is very difficult to teach a monkey to take personal responsibility and make responsible PIC decisions if things were always handed to them.
Lol, I use to think the job was glamorous when I was wet behind the ears in my freshman year in college... However, after graduating and immediately getting a 121 job and then subsequently being furloughed 6 months later, I can say that it was fun while it lasted but it comes with its pitfalls.... |
...instructed for about 15 or so months before getting a job.
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