They do. I was pointing out the highest risk exposure segments by hours. It levels off after 1,000 hours.... drops again after 1,500 hours and stay fairly level until around 15,000-20,000 hours where there is a slight rise again and then it levels off again. visit www.aopa.org ans type Nall Report in the search box. Very interesting reading.

Instructing as a CFII and MEI was some of the most rewarding flying because you actually had a guy in the left seat trying to kill you but gaining priceless experience at the same time. For those who were offended by the post that you're flying around in the right seat watching the guy in the left don't be. I loved instructing and didn't need it for time building but essentially you are exactly as a metor once called me "Just In Case." Instrument and Multi students already know how to fly you are just there in case something happens or the student freaks out in actual because he cant peep out the sides of the foggles anymore. Don't get me wrong this is no bash the CFI route but rather enjoy your time sitting over there and use it merely to figure out new ways to craft your skill, new ways to trim the airplane to do what you want so you look like a pro to your student. Trust me some days I rather be there than 500 feet a/p on FLC and climb check. Your experience as flight instructor is the last of REAL flying unless your in a G1000 cockpit, have fun and bask in the moment.


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At the risk of sounding elitist, one shouldn't be in the cockpit of an airliner conducting 121 operations until holding an ATP. Or in lieu of that, a single pilot, multi-eng, IFR letter. For 99% of all those people clamoring for that 1000hrs, there are plenty of SINGLE engined airplanes in which they wouldn't survive 3 times around the patch. Is that who we want flying OUR family? Inexperienced pilots are a huge liability to the entire industry. For all those 300 hour wonders waiting to flame me, talk to me after you've spent a couple of seasons flying part 135 in a Navajo for Ameriflight. Oh, wait, you don't have the hours for that.

Please, judging from your elitist attitude you sound like one of those CAs that tell their FOs to level off at 500fpm instead of 1000. I agree that we shouldn't have 200 wonders however ATP mins is exaggerated for right seat RJ. And there is no need to be a freight dog as well. The mins aren't magical numbers, they are determined by insurance based on risk. Single engine freight which is probably the hardest flying is still 1200 hours.

What we need is a tougher training like they do the rest of the world. That would help weed out a lot that are in it for something other than flying and help with the SJS pandemic. To hold even a commercial/atp in Europe for example is very difficult. In China, you have to renew your license every 6 months. Any monkey can go from private to ATP here, all you need is flight time. I bet those guys from pinanacle that 410ed it on the CRJ2 would have probably survived if they actually knew what they were doing up there or had some general knowledge of how a jet airplane flys.

"Please, judging from your elitist attitude you sound like one of those CAs...."

Nah, J1b, you hit the nail on the head. There will be a lot of squealing from stuck pigs for this reason or that. But I think you got it right on. (mod hat off).

But as to the tougher training BUR mentions, I couldn't agree more.

BURflyer,
What do you mean about elitist Captains telling FO's to "level off at 500 fpm instead of 1000fpm"?
Are you talking about climb or descent rates? In a pressurized or unpressurized airplane? I'm kinda confused here as I'm a single engine unpressurized 135 guy. With 3500tt in AK. I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I was taught that passengers respond physiologically better when they are subjected to less than 500fpm altitude changes (descent). Kids and babies, around 200fpm. Especially with head colds or dental problems. I'm lost. Are you always pressurized when descending?

I'm talking about leveling off in pressurized flight. Usually we takeoff and land pressurized. I was just implying that there is no noticable discomfort unless you're leveling off at a 2000fpm rate of climb or decent.

Thanks BURflyer. I don't spend too much time up high so that stuff is pretty foreign to me. Have tried to stick to that advice about 500fpm or less though for descents when able. Have noticed more squawling when I was'nt able to when flying with little ones back there.
Cheers,

Sure are a lot of 300 hr wonders flying as C-130, C-5, C-17, B-52, KC-135, etc., etc. Copilots all around the world, in combat, etc. Some fly fighters. I was a combat IP with 900 hours total time (including 220 from UPT). It's not total time, its quality of training and depth of experience.

Land Pressurized man thats gotta hurt the ears when that relief valve opens:eek: I guess all my training on pressuriztion was a waste:rolleyes: