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TurboFan 12-16-2008 10:07 PM

Yeah, I realized what you meant. I was simply saying I have yet to fly with anyone at Mesa that is that unprofessional and immature. Disappointing a SkyWest guy would do that, I know many SkyWest pilots and their all very professional.

teamdothis 12-16-2008 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by TBucket (Post 519570)
I'm amazed stuff like this actually happens... Unless you fly for gojet, nobody should be giving you the finger.... That's ridiculous...

Blah Blah Blah

Mason32 12-17-2008 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 518213)
Aren't you working under a contract that has a duration of 16 YEARS!?! I don't think you have room to talk.


Yes, we're in year 12 of it.... and the vast majority of other regionals are still playing catch up on the pay and work rules that we've had in our 12 year old contract.... thanks alot guys for finally keeping up.

I'll put my 12 year old 16 year contract against your current one anytime...

AZFlyn1 12-17-2008 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by TurboFan (Post 516684)
Winglet, amazing post. I honestly couldn't have said it better myself. I'm seriously impressed.

Any regional pilot that says a Mesa pilot should resign for the sake of the industry needs to look in the mirror. Guess who's really driving down wages and QOL for airline pilots? The entire regional airline industry. Before the regionals came around life was way better. Regional airlines fly mainline routes for a fraction of the cost and for a fraction of the pay and QOL of a mainline pilot. It's the pot calling the kettle black in my opinion. Wake up people. You should be happy that there are people like Winglet and myself fighting to make Mesa a better place, why would you want someone who is actively trying to change the company for the better to resign? So a newer, less industry educated pilot can come in and vote on the TA? Think about what you people are saying! And trust me when I say this, even if Mesa went *poof* and disappeared off the face of the planet tomorrow, another airline would be all to eager to come along and fill Mesa's shoes. Probably with a lower pay and QOL. This contract is not worse than our last as many have insinuated. It is better, just not as good as I would have liked. I can assure you if I still work for Mesa in 2010, I will fight even harder for the new contract.

Keep up the good work Winglet.

Absolutely! Winglet's post impressed me also. I've only been with the Airline for a year, and the things I've seen have opened my eyes. However, we are all doing something we sacrificed and worked our butts off for and we need to be supporting each other. I love jumpseating on Southwest because those guys are always nice to us. We are all in this together, we do need to treat each other with respect. We all deserve it.

nwa757 12-17-2008 06:10 PM

I encourage everyone to contact their LEC/MEC for more information about the Fee For Departure Task Force. There is a lot of good stuff going on behind the scenes and the information is available through ALPA if you ask for it. It's not available to the public for obvious reasons. Contract standards, one seniority list, etc are the things being addressed.

Seeing that Mesa brought the standard up a bit, this is something that can be used to form higher standards in the future. The potential certainly exists with so many contracts becoming amendable in the future.

It's only going to work if everyone is one board with the idea that we have to stop doing each another pilot's job for less and allowing management to shift flying around to the cheapest bidder without any repercussion. This includes people like GoJet pilots, who think its ok to underbid union flying.

winglet 12-18-2008 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Beagle Pilot (Post 519747)

Agreed. We shouldn't let the immature and unprofessional conduct of a few pilots divide the rest of us.

As ALPA pilots our choice is clear; either we find a way to work together or we will continue to freefall together in a race to the bottom.

Last October at the ALPA BOD meeting 15 MEC's on the Fee-For-Departure Committee met to formulate a strategy to combat many of the problems noted in this thread.

Quote:
October 19, 2008 - More than 120 pilots arrived in Las Vegas before the 42nd Board of Directors meeting began to participate in a summit hosted by ALPA’s fee-for-departure-carrier MECs on October 19. Status representatives, MEC officers, and other pilots from all 15 of these pilot groups, along with ALPA National officers and representatives from ALPA National committees and other pilot groups, met to continue their work coordinating their negotiating, contract enforcement, and support activities. This was the third meeting of the FFDC MECs in their ongoing effort to advance their goal of building career security and opportunities for their pilots.

“The FFDC MECs have shown the courage to lead their pilots by working together to find new ways to protect and enhance the careers of all airline pilots,” said ALPA President Capt. John Prater, who kicked off the meeting. “Their coordinated efforts continue to prove that when one pilot group has a solution, we all have a solution.”

Summit participants received presentations on the demographic trends among FFDC pilot groups and the economic outlook for the industry. Representatives from the contract survey and contract template working groups reported on the outcome of their work in these areas. Capt. Tom Wychor (MSA) facilitated the group’s discussions on the strategic plan, career protection coordination, and advancing the group’s mutual goals through continued collaboration, consultation and discussion among the FFDC MECs, the ALPA Collective Bargaining Committee (CBC), and representatives from other ALPA pilot groups. The FFDC MECs will continue their work and plan to meet again in 2009.



Thanks Beagle Pilot,

This Fee-for-Departure-Committee is the kind of thing we all need to encourage our individual MEC's to focus on. Everyone reading this please spread the word about the upcoming "coordinated" negotiations and how important it is going to be to help each other obtain the goal of an industry standard that we can all live with. Explain to those who don't understand that we are in this together. Every one of us needs to do our part to improve our chosen profession and only then will we receive the respect we deserve.

May your next contract be "industry leading", and if not, may the "worst contract in the industry" be a contract we can all be proud of.

Winglet


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