Everyone always talks about "we need to be unified as a pilot group". Well this will NEVER happen with snide comments about how bad of an airline company X is and how they are "bringing the industry down". If you want to act like a 10 year old then get the hell out of this industry. Like whtever stated, we are supposed to be professionals and as professionals we should treat each other with dignity, respect and maturity. If someone is being screwed over dont treat them like dirt but instead lend a hand or a comment to keep them motivated to make things better. All of you 20 year old whiny FOs need to grow a pair and learn that in the real world whiners and name callers ALWAYS end up in the crosshairs.

Funny thing is the creator of this thread is not a 20 year old kid. He is am Air Force vet and has over 25 years in ATC. It is clear not only 20 year olds are up for bringing things down for everyone.

Read my post, I'm on your side. That's exactly what I'm saying, Mesa has no "soft pay". While there is no good substitute for actual pay raises, there should be trip/duty rigs etc.

Block-or-better guarantee may not be trip/duty rigs, but it most certainly is "soft pay" and it will increase the W2s of Mesa pilots. Does it make up for no CA pay raises? No...but I'm glad to see the highly underpaid FOs were given priority and got something.

Is it a great agreement? Most signs point to "absolutely not", but only time will tell if this agreement was truly concessionary, as you assert it is.

I am not trying to bring anyone or anything down. I feel that Mesa is not as bad as some say, and the other regionals are not always much better. I think that we all gain more by trying to work together.

I was responding to a specific post on another thread stating that all Mesa pilots should resign. The poster was trying to suggest that conditions at Mesa are so much worse than at other companies. I believe the poster flies for AE so I decided to compare pay based on upgrade time. Over ten years the Mesa pilot will earn more.

I feel that Mesa is singled out for criticism that could easily apply to other carriers. Mainline flying has shifted to lower pay regional flying across the board. No one company or pilot group is responsible.

The new contract is promising to some and disappointing to others. Many fear the company will try to circumvent it. These fears are understandable. Much of the doom and gloom about the contract is based on theories about how it will be implemented and how PBS will work. It is my hope that in 6 months nearly all of us feel that it is an improvement. Only time will tell who is right.

Mesa pilots are often criticised for bringing down the industry. In a serious economic downturn, improvements in pay and time off have been won. This is no small thing. In the previous contract a non-union alter ego was demolished. This was a strategic victory for all pilots that required sacrifice on the part of MAG pilots.

The Dash Whisperer