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mooney 12-14-2008 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by fjetter (Post 518410)
Most FBOs are still gonna require you to do a checkout with one of their instructors for insurance purposes. Flying a 172 is significantly different from an RJ

Sounds to me like he already is checked out aircraft wise.

rickair7777 12-14-2008 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Copperhed51 (Post 518340)
I don't see how it's not spelled out in the regs.

(d) A person who has, within the period
specified in paragraph (c) of this
section, passed a pilot proficiency
check
conducted by an examiner, an
approved pilot check airman, or a U.S.
Armed Force, for a pilot certificate,
rating, or operating privilege need not
accomplish the flight review required
by this section.


I can't find any gray in that part of 61.56(d). Where's the confusion?

What is an operating privelege? Does an SIC PC count?

I'm not saying it doesn't, but legally the fed could interpret that any way they like. I have enough experience with law to know that this reg (like many FARs) is weak and open to interpretation. Remember this is not criminal or civil law where the tie goes to the runner...the grey area usually goes to the feds.

captain152 12-14-2008 05:54 PM

"...passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner..."

... sounds like your question was answered in there. Not sure what else you need. A SIC PC is a PROFICIENCY CHECK conducted by an EXAMINER ... that's a done deal, no questions asked. Now, you may still have to be checked out by one of their instructors in one of their planes to go fly, but that's typical of any FBO

lowflying 12-14-2008 08:03 PM

Thanks for all the replies. I was hoping to avoid having to get a copy of my pc. I used to instruct there and I walk in the place in uniform all the time. The lady running the place is just super anal about having paperwork.

I might just go flying and then have a beer with one of my cfi friends. That sounds more entertaining than doing a paper chase.

fjetter 12-15-2008 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by lowflying (Post 518540)
Thanks for all the replies. I was hoping to avoid having to get a copy of my pc. I used to instruct there and I walk in the place in uniform all the time. The lady running the place is just super anal about having paperwork.

I might just go flying and then have a beer with one of my cfi friends. That sounds more entertaining than doing a paper chase.

Gotcha sounds like a solid plan:D

Copperhed51 12-15-2008 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 518429)
What is an operating privelege? Does an SIC PC count?

I'm not saying it doesn't, but legally the fed could interpret that any way they like. I have enough experience with law to know that this reg (like many FARs) is weak and open to interpretation. Remember this is not criminal or civil law where the tie goes to the runner...the grey area usually goes to the feds.

Well, it says "rating, or operating privilege" and I would say that you are doing your PC for your the privilege of operating under your SIC type rating. I'd say you're doubly covered. While I agree that the feds can be sneaky bastards, I think this reg is pretty unambiguous. Think of it this way...If a PC didn't count then how would any of us be allowed to operate the aircraft we fly without going somewhere to get a BFR every couple years. The answer is that the PC does count...or everybody who has been in their seat for over 2 years is flying illegally.

Boomer 12-15-2008 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by lowflying (Post 518540)
The lady running the place is just super anal about having paperwork.

You run into a lot of people who are "super anal about the paperwork" in aviation these days. :D

Don't take it personally.

RuttR 12-15-2008 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by lowflying (Post 518540)
I was hoping to avoid having to get a copy of my pc.

Your company doesnt require you to carry a copy of your last check with you?

Airsupport 12-15-2008 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by RuttR (Post 519268)
Your company doesnt require you to carry a copy of your last check with you?


nope. not here at pinnacle anyway.

Qtip 12-15-2008 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by RuttR (Post 519268)
Your company doesnt require you to carry a copy of your last check with you?


Part 121: "A company shall not use and an airman shall not serve..." & blah blah...

By the nature of operational control the CP, scheduler, dispatcher, airman shall ensure that the crew member (basically the "company" as specified in your FOM, or equivalent) is current and qualified before operating under that rule. I find it strange if a crew member must carry documents (other than cert. and medical) showing their qualifications and currency. I have never seen anything about this in 8400.10 but that doesn't mean its not there.

And as always, call your local FSDO if in doubt.


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