I was riding back of a CRJ once and I swore that on landing the pilot had the wrong xwind correction in and we land all sideloaded and and you could feel him yawing back and forth trying to hold centerline after touchdown, when I was walking off there was a heated conversation going off in the flightdeck between the CA and FO, I popped in and said thanks for the ride and I saw the captain sometime later and I asked what they were fighting over and apparently the FO had the wrong xwind correction in and the CA said something and hes like "I know," so the captain just took the controls from him and fixed it real quick for him and the FO didnt like that very much and had so heated words for the CA on the ground even though the FO had the wrong correction in, apparently he only had 280 hours so that explained a lot...

ahhhhh good ole 280, 280 Tom.

OK kids. A little math in public.... if the wind is 320 and we land on rwy 3 is it...

A. A headwind
B. A crosswind
C. A quartering tailwind.

And kids, I paid full fare for this flight. So don't think it was a free ride.


Merry Christmas, and may all your dreams come true

I don't care if you had the entire plane chartered. You don't question the judgment of the crew when you don't have any information of what is going on.


I once had a passenger come up and try to talk to me before a flight and pretend like he knew stuff, so I played along. He had taken a few lessons in a Cessna before. I landed in BOS and had to immediately cross 2 runways and I missed putting the flaps up. I caught them at the gate when we pulled in. Anyways, this guy pops his head up front and the conversation goes like this:

Pax: "After landing checklist next time?"
Me: "What on earth are you talking about?"
Pax: "You didn't put the flaps up!"
Me: "I left them down on purpose, and the checklist says 'as required' and I need them down to check something on the inboard flap!"
Pax: "Oh, sorry."

Things like that really anger me, there is no business for it. My priority was to get off the runway, and safely cross two runways at night without getting hit by an airplane. Forgetting about the flaps is my least concern at that time.

Being a backseat driver does nothing but irritate the crew and make you look bad, so why do it? If you have a general question about something, ask me. But don't criticize us when you have no experience. :mad:

B, a cross wind. The wind is coming from 320 degrees (WNW). You are landing on a heading of approximately 030, or NNE. Therefore, the wind is off your left. That is an angular difference of 040+030 or 70 degrees off of your left.

Apollo, what are the ATR X wind limitations?

Crosswind, tailwind, who cares. I have had several times where the conditions require a landing with a slight tailwind. That's why 2 people sit up front, take in all the information of the situation, and make the best decision to conduct the flight safely. Obviously, for this a kid with zero airline experience and 500 hours who just happens to be having trouble getting hired at a regional to sit in the back of a plane and then question the decisions of this crew is completely unacceptable. All we need is the name...

We can deny revenue pax, right? :D

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A quick outline of a recent A/E flight from DFW to SJT. Only the objective facts will be given.

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I'd be careful about using the term objective.

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A strong front had just passed through and winds were gusting to 30kts. With the wind helping us down the taxiway, the Capt easily let the ATR get to 40. Landing at SJT (remember the wind is out of the NW and gusty) the crew elected to use the shorter rwy 03 instead of the main rwy 36.

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Did you have a GPS out saying the ground speed as you taxied? You have no idea how fast they are going. 40 kts on a straight taxiway is not reckless or dangerous either. Many turboprop drivers taxi fast. I've been in a Q400 jumpseat when we hit 60kts on taxi. What do you consider a main runway? 36/18 might be longer but 3/21 has all but one (RNAV 18) of the IAPs for SJT. 3/21 also is the only runway with HIRL. The only time I've been there we landed on 21 because the other runways were closed.

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We came over the fence very fast and landed with a substantial side load. The aircraft was well off the centerline, the tires where screaming and the stench of burnt rubber was in the cabin. Even the flight attendant was nervously shaking it off.

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Again you have no airspeed indicator. What about the other flight attendant there are two on the ATR.

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I waited for the crew to have a chat. I asked why they decided to land with a slight tailwind. The FO said it wasn't a tailwind. The crew clearly didn't want to discuss it but said the wind was 320/20. I asked why rwy 36 wasn't used. The Capt said there wasn't a rwy 36. I said it's the main rwy at SJT. He then said that rwy 36 was closed. I called the tower; they said the rwy was just fine. They hurried off to the waiting van.

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A 70 degree crosswind is not a tailwind. I've never flown an ATR but even if they landed on 21 the tailwind component would have been less than 10 knots which should be well within the limitations of the aircraft.

Also there are a bunch of new pilots on the ATR. This could have been IOE and the instructor wanted the student to see how the plane landed in crosswinds.

I think there is a simple confusion going on with the crosswind here. We all know that when the weather reports the wind, it always reports the direction it is coming from. IE 320/20 would be from the WNW, and the actual wind vector is going 140/20. The wind is pushing in the direction of ESE at 20 knots. I have a feeling the confusion with the OP lies in this not-so-subtle subtlety.