methinks i should go back to school.

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Incorrect again

How do you make this statement after the last one you did? Either they are, or they aren't.

Really, so you are saying the APA never ever offered to fly the CRJ and EMB then right? Perhaps when you are off probation you can go find a few people who have been there a bit longer and ask for some AMR/AA/AE history lesson. Point of fact for your edification... APA did offer to fly the planes, AMR didn't like their rates.


No, they gave up pieces of scope in order to try and preserve as much as they could at the time. If they were in the same position again, knowing what they know now - they wouldn't do it.

Wow, where to start...
AA will not shut Eagle down. That would be like the Washington DC metro shutting down all bus service but keeping the trains running... the trains need the busses, just as much as the busses need the trains... could it be subcontracted for outside companies to provide bus service - sure - but what would be the point... it would be more expensive, provide less service, and sacrifice control.

Big Sky closed shop months ago

[quote=MAXforwardspeed;532916]The other options are a divestiture or a shutdown at the end of our contract.

AMR has not earned the name sky nazzi's for nothing my young friend. They are control freaks. Do a little research into what lengths they went to to keep the federal government from being able to examine their ledgers - offshore ledgers. Why would you divest something that you have full control of, makes money, and provides a vital service to your other corporation? Stop drinking the koolaid.

What's a logbook?

[quote=MAXforwardspeed;532916]Eagle has some of the most senior pilot group and most senile.

Most regionals only have a 15-20 year step system... you would be suprised how many other regionals also have senior pilots... the days of doing a few years at a regional then going to a major all but ended long ago. Do many still make it that way, yes... but not most. It used to be most; but since regionals have now grown in size to the point that we have mainline companies furloughing just about all of the pilot staff and subcontracting to an E170-175 operator there will be even less mainline jobs.

as for them being as you say "senile".... you'll have to explain that since they are all passing their medicals, line and six month checks. You will have to forgive the majority who didn't come to a part 121 jet airline with 500 hours total time if they do not feel any sympathy for you when you are upset that they are somehow in your seat.

What scientific study was that? or are you just based at one of the senior bases....

Fly safe

And then you get to fly with guys like this. The type who lacks the experience of CRM and every FO got hired with 500 hours. Most AE skippers have been captain for 10 to 20 years of his/her career with a whopping 6 months to 3 years as an FO. Not all but a larger portion of them.

I felt so embarrassed and sorry for the guys who got hired with low time who got looked down on by some of our skippers. Get you will find out when/if you get hired. For a short time we hired very low time pilots. It frustrated a lot of Captains who then would disregard what a FO would say because like MASON32. “You only got hired with 500 hours.” True or not “you only got hired with 500 hours I am caption of a 50 seat jet”. It’s very unprofessional behavior and not all are like that.

Eagle can be fun and the captain’s do have experience but it’s not like military where only the best make it. Pick and choose who you learn from. Again it’s not all that feel this way.

Hum.... i guess I just didnt see those 300 hour wonders everyone talks about. when I was a newhire at S5 in Nov 07 our class of 22 had from a low of 900 hours to a high of 2800 hours.... now... some of the guys had really low amounts of ME time.... 25 hours or so.... but we didnt have these 300 hour pilots. I did know of a fem hired at republic with 380 hours.... but that was an exception.... she had nearly 200 hours of ME time. FWIW... I think those days are long gone of course I think it would help if the FAA would require BOTH pilots in a 121 operation to have an ATP sometime down the road.

Yeah, but was S5 offering a 9+ year upgrade time? It only took 6 years after 9/11 to watch minimums nosedive. With news like the following, I see 300-hour 121 pilots in the future. My only question would be, when?

U.S. airlines fly 2 years without fatality - CNN.com

As one of my friends used to say:
"What's that got to do with the price of tea-beans in China?"

Because no one died in 2 years air travel will magically increase in the face of a terrible and unrelenting recession? Hiring will increase soon?

I fail to see the connection of the article and your argument.

Did I mention anything about air travel magically increasing? Did I mention anything about hiring to increase soon?

The last two sentences and the article pertained to Herc's comment about those days being long gone (300 hr wonders) and the FAA requiring ATP's for both crewmembers in 121 ops. Unless safety (specifically due to less experienced FO's) becomes an issue in the future, I don't see the FAA requiring an ATP to sit in the right seat.

Hopefully you can see a connection now.

I got ya now! It all makes sense.

Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see the FAA ever requiring dual ATPs for a flight crew. You can bet the airline lobbyists would shoot that idea down before it got too far. Too much trouble for the airlines really.

[QUOTE=Mason32;534468]Incorrect



Incorrect again



How do you make this statement after the last one you did? Either they are, or they aren't.



Really, so you are saying the APA never ever offered to fly the CRJ and EMB then right? Perhaps when you are off probation you can go find a few people who have been there a bit longer and ask for some AMR/AA/AE history lesson. Point of fact for your edification... APA did offer to fly the planes, AMR didn't like their rates.




No, they gave up pieces of scope in order to try and preserve as much as they could at the time. If they were in the same position again, knowing what they know now - they wouldn't do it.



Wow, where to start...
AA will not shut Eagle down. That would be like the Washington DC metro shutting down all bus service but keeping the trains running... the trains need the busses, just as much as the busses need the trains... could it be subcontracted for outside companies to provide bus service - sure - but what would be the point... it would be more expensive, provide less service, and sacrifice control.

Big Sky closed shop months ago

[quote=MAXforwardspeed;532916]The other options are a divestiture or a shutdown at the end of our contract.

AMR has not earned the name sky nazzi's for nothing my young friend. They are control freaks. Do a little research into what lengths they went to to keep the federal government from being able to examine their ledgers - offshore ledgers. Why would you divest something that you have full control of, makes money, and provides a vital service to your other corporation? Stop drinking the koolaid.



What's a logbook?

Mason,

That was excellent post. Spot on!

AAflyer

P.S. To the other poster that said morale sucks on the cockpit of AA jets and we have not fun, you obviously have not been up front on a 767 going to Europe....;)

P.S.S To the other Eagle pilot wanting to tell an AA pilot to Screw himself.. I will say it first. "Screw You!"":D

Hey now - lets play nice. I only wanted to say that to a captain that was talking about wanting to see Eagle shut down and sold off. He said it would make him happy. Him, yes, I would say that too!

The remainder of the AA crews I have flown with have been AWESOME! I've had guys share half their meals with me so I didn't starve to death, I've learned a lot, had a lot of fun and enjoyed jocular conversations. I don't notice any great discontent in the cockpit at AA.

I think I've maybe met 2 or 3 disgruntled and unhappy AA guys who wanted to make me as miserable as they were. Those are the guys I would love to say that too, but never would because I lack the 'onions' and don't like confrontation much.