ATP Cert/PC
 

Anyone know if it's possible to get your ATP issued during a regular FO PC? Kinda thinking the answer is no but thought I'd ask.
Thks

No because you're not examined to meet ATP minimums during your FO ride.

You also don't do everything necessary for an ATP qualification during your FO ride

Typically, for the SIC type... FO's do not do the steep turns, nor the circle to land...

Steep turns were done on both my FO ride and my ATP ride....Circle to land was trained, but not tested on either ride, and as such, have a Circle to Land EMB-145 restriction on my certificate. The only difference during the ATP check and the FO check for myself was an engine restart, and there's no retraining. Fail any item = Fail the check. Oral was about the same also, but i believe everything is fair game, and there were a couple of FAA reg type questions in there too, which weren't on the FO initial ride (per my memory).

Like has been said, depends on the operator. Previous employer, the rides and oral were IDENTICAL. Current employer, FO isn't required to demonstrate a no flap visual.

True, under a conventional training program. If your shop uses AQP it's not quite that way.

To the original poster, it would be nice to be able to knock out an ATP on an FO PC, assuming you had an APD do the PC. Couple things to consider, you are going for an additional rating, which means the potential of a pink slip. If your company does a PC where you only do a single sim session, you had better be on your game without having seen the sim in a year. Again, depending on your employer. My previous job, FO's went every six months just like a CA. The six month was the standard PT (training, non jeopardy). The 12 month PC was a two sim (jeopardy) event. However, it was STILL AQP which takes a lot of pressure off. My current place, the FO goes once a year but they are talking about going to a 9 month cycle. The benefit of doing it during upgrade is that you've had more exposure to the sim and the training environment.

I just asked about this during my last PC and apparently asked to late. All it is at my company is getting the director of training to approve it and if the Captain adminstering your PC doesnt mind and you clear it with him they will make it happen.

An FO PC at my company is the same nearly as the ATP ride and only a few small modifications would need to be made. We do an IMC circle to land as well as steep turns and stalls and single engine missed approach.

It depends on the company and I am sure is a per case basis but it can be done. This is assuming you are of course just asking for the ATP and NOT to be PIC typed with the ATP.

You are going for an additional rating, the guy doing (OR observing) your PC has to have the authority to issue one.

If EVERY sim instructor at your employer is authorized, not a big deal. If the number is limited, it might be tough to get done.

Turbojet (and all 121) training is conducted to ATP standards.

In order to get issued an ATP...

- You need to perform all required maneuvers. FO and PC rides probably don't include everything.

- Fill out an 8710.

- Have a sim instructor who is a DPE, and is willing to do it.