ASA Open Time
 

With this being the first time in ASA's history that a furlough has occured, what have you been doing to help out your fellow brothers/sisters about to go on the street in feb ?

Maybe i'm missing something. But, what does the furlough have to do with open time again? Sucks for the 80 pilots and I hope the ones that stick it out come back soon. Please don't go to lindbergh...

I'm about as confused about your post as you must be trying to turn left at a stop sign.

Ah christ, here we go again ... this is your queue Insano ...

Are you serious? Picking up open time masks the need for pilots, basically prevents a recall since everyone else is covering for the shortage.

And yes stay as far away as you can from gojets.

Good luck with this guys. Once we were on the street at XJT nobody seemed to care about any of this stuff.

Really, so with your fictional ccs access you've been able to keep tabs, on who's picking up anything. It may surprise you to know that most guys are only grabbing stuff out of advertise.

I still have CCS access, but that's beside the point...

If they're only picking up advertise time, that's great. But I've seen this discussed over and over on the forum-that-shall-be-left-unnamed, and just about everyone tries to justify the picking up of open time in some way. Of course that forum isn't a 100% picture of the pilot group, but there are people out there doing it as we speak.

He means you should never pickup open time when you have brothers and sisters on the street. But I guess you guys do not care.

You know who picks up open time?


RATS!

You mean SCABS

No need to be condescending. I never acted that way toward you.

I'll simply say thank you for the clarification. I'll keep it in mind.

You mean you're not going to apologize for falsely accusing your peers that are honoring you the furloughs by taking a lifestyle hit. No one is being condescending; you just accused your active co-workers of picking up open time, and used the pipe as your source....nice.

I called you out and now you don't know what to say. Well at least say you're sorry for misrepresenting your pilot group.

So since 80 people are furloughed nobody is allowed to pick up open time. So if I say to my daughter that she cant have what she wants for her birthday because 80 people I have never met are out of a job for a few months, and I cant make a couple hundred extra bucks, she is supposed to understand what that means?

Some people need to get a few more hours each month. Or in the case of commuters it might be better to grab a 2 day out of initial open time to avoid getting stuck with some lousy non-commutable day line or something.

Before yall go calling everyone a scab think about some peoples situations out there that might need 5 or 10 more hours on the check.

I agree dont go grabbin 5 more trips or anything but dont jump to the scab gun too quickly.

My post would make more sense if I clarify for the commuters it might be better to grab a trip in initial open time to avoid being integrated into something non commutable.

The Pipe is a crappy webboard, but it's more of a source of information than what you're giving me. You're going off of what? Crew room talk? Not much better.

No I do not.

Neither ALPA nor management have publicly stated that is ok to pick up open time, furthermore, your peers are not doing it, so your statement is irrelevant. Are you now denying that you falsely accused your peers based on information from a non official company site known for it's inaccuracies?

Dude, just say you're sorry for making such accusations, and misrepresenting your pilot group, and move on.

Oh and my sources are the Scheduling supervisors, who've stated such in meetings.

My attitude I should go work at gojets?? And I am supposed to completely change my lifestyle to be fair to the kids that are now going to be actually flying at gojets??

ummm I don't think he said that he didn't care. He was asking what to do to help is the way I took it. :confused:

I still hear people on the bus and in the crew lounge talking about picking up open time, and I fly with captains that still pick up trips when they can. When I say something about it, most people don't seem to see a problem with it.:(

How do you know where they're going to work? Not everyone has the same moral flexibility you seem to have. I don't pick up open time anymore, I just pick up advertise trips when I need extra cash. I don't go out to eat as much as I use to; because I know that every hour of open time left in open time reflects the actual staffing numbers allowing for a quicker recall of our guys.

Real nice of you, true class act, seriously you should consider gojets.

You are a perfect candidate for Go Jets, Mesa, Freedumb and Go Airlines. Are you sure you work for ASA?

Since the block hours have been slowly decreasing over the past few months so has the opentime. A few months ago there would be open time all month. Heck I remember a little over a year ago when I was on reserve and there were so many trips in open time we could call scheduling and they might give you a trip. Lately by the first week there is nothing in opentime. At least on the FO side of the CR7 this has been the trend. Even during initial opentime there really isn't much to add to your line. After line completion there has been about 500hrs worth of trips. Not really enough to even keep another 20 guys employed with low blocked lines. I'm not sure what it has been on the CR2 and well..........we all got the memo on the ATR. My point is that it's not like they are working us to the bone to save some money. If no one picks up the opentime it would be enough to keep reserve guys flying about 25 hours a month. Some reserves are hardly flying at all.

I still have friends at XJT who are quite adamant that open time is still being picked up, and the pipe is just another source to back that up. In fact, you're the only person who's even come close to telling me that people aren't picking up time. My friends on reserve are constantly having the rug pulled out from under them by people plucking up the open time.

I just can't believe any of what you're saying at face value after the overwhelming amount of evidence against it. Now, let's stop hijacking this thread. If you'd like to continue this discussion, PM me. But first, drop the attitude before you do so.

Oh you got friends, wow, what was I thinking?

PM'd you already, why don't you have your friends call scheduling and see who's picking up the open time. As per the night supervisors, there's a lot of last minute trading taking place which is perfectly acceptable as it places other trips back in the pool.

You got called out dude, you accused your peers of doing something they're not doing. They're doing the opposite, they've changed their lifestyles for you and 346 of your peers. The least you can say is thank you, and that you're sorry for accussing your peers without any real cause whatsoever.

This is not a thread hijack, because it directly sends the wrong message to those that think it's ok to pick up open time at ASA. Nice job, way to support your peers and your fellow ALPA pilots at ASA that are being furloughed.

Quit being a drama queen. You expanded my sentence into my attitude toward ALPA and ASA's plight? YGBSM.

The reason you'll never get an apology out of me is because you're trying to be a bully about it. If you can give me irrefutable proof that open time isn't being picked up, I'll consider it. But until then, I know for a fact that open time is still being picked up. Right now. As we speak. Can you prove to me otherwise?

Or do you expect me to just take your word for it?

If you guys don't think an open time ban helps your fellow pilots, I'm proof that it does. The only reason I got a call back is because most (and I said MOST, some pricks are still doing it) at RAH quit picking it up and scheduling is using reserves to cover it. I'd still be on the street if they had enough people accepting extra assignments.

ALPA coming out and saying "don't pick up open time" is an illegal job action under the RLA. They can't do it.

Have your "friends" call scheduling and you'll see that the margin of time picked up vs traded is minimal. I said in my thread earlier that a few people are still picking up open time, you said we had a real problem, we don't!

So, while I realize that you don't care that most of us are avoiding open time for you, most of the 346 are grateful, and they don't come on here to slander their peers on hearsay.

This was your original comment: If you don't think that's an accusation, and that it doesn't deserve an apology to everyone (not just me) that is fighting to get you back on property, then you got real issues.

Yes, it is a sad fact that due to the economic down turn ASA has had to furlough for the first time in their history. Everybody knows that ASA was fat on pilots ranging between 100 to 300 since September of 2008 (loss of ATRs and reduction of flying). Management decides to hang onto these pilots instead of furloughing them at the drop of a hat trying to find new work for them. With the coming of the CRJ-900’s the management has been able to keep at least an extra 100 pilot employed (10 per plane) instead of furloughing 180 pilots which would have happen without these airplanes. A company is in business to make money for their stockholders period. Not to hand out charity work or to have pilots sit at home on reserves and pay them for doing nothing. ASA did their best to keep everyone around. They obviously tried because they did not furlough right away back in September. ASA is trying to stay competitive so we all can keep our jobs and not end up on the streets. Do you really think they get their jollies furloughing pilots? So trying to stick it to management by not picking open time is not the correct answer. Hopefully sometime soon things will turn and we can put everyone back to work, not just at ASA.

Thank you sir...

I'm sorry, but I can only assume since this is your first post that you're either A: Not a pilot B: Management somewhere ? or 3: At some other airline

I'm at a loss as to why the bloated lines for Feb have not been mentioned yet!

Another fine reason why no one should be searching for extra time

People are still picking up open time here at TSA. The company and the union both know who the offenders are, too. The company has provided a list of those that pick up open time and volunteer to waive their contract during transition. Esp. important when you're negiotiating a new contract, however, picking up open time when some of your guys are on the street is just wrong. You're reinforcing to management that they don't need those 80 guys, that the rest of the group will pick up the slack. Don't pick it up!

where might one find this list for tsa pilots?

deleted.........................................