What? Proof is in the fact they were operating outside of Bankruptsy protection. First step would have been chapter 11. Again, where's your proof that they were going to go under, or that they couldn't get financing elsewhere? You're strategy here is to answe a question with a question in absence of knowledge. You just lost any credibility you had.

So, do you blame the union for J.O. and freedom A, do you blame the union for Lorenzo at CAL, do blame the union for Hulas and gojets. Clearly once a precedent is set, the union will try to prevent the same from happening again by adding language to the contract, but it doesn't change the fact that management goes to the table in good faith, and then turns around and tries to strip the very same contract they negotiated.

Duuude, I'm pretty relaxed here, you seem to think that contract violations are ups and downs, and you're willing to accept them as such. Would you be willing to cross a picket line too? We're not talking about SKW here, we're talking about Bedford's tendency to buy his way into anything, while destroying 100's of lives in the process.

I can think of three regionals where employees are treated above average based on their contract and their pilots make more flying smaller equipment than you guys...XJT, SKW, and AirWisky. You argue that everybody else is doing it so it's ok. Well two wrongs don't make a right. You are taking this way too personal, your CEO is a thief and liar, big deal! You have a relatively good pilot group, why do you care so much that the whole industry puts BB in the same category as Lorenzo?

You mean the way you guys were able to keep Bedford and his team from violating your contract over and over? See that right there is called defending your CEO....Have you consider the long term effects to your career if this actually triggers a wave of "codeshares" at places like CAL?

You are a pilot (or at least you claim to be), be one, support your fellow pilots, but don't defend the guy that violates your contract, and then goes on to pull a Lorenzo on another pilot group. And again, where are your facts, where's the link that shows how liquidation was eminent at Midwest?

Bottom line is that the Midwest management and Bedford weaken this industry even more with this deal, and it's still beyond me that you're going to bat for the man that could possibly be the reason you'll spend the rest of your career at a regional carrier.

Prove it! Show me a quarterly report, or any legal or press release that indicates that 1.Midwest was in the midst of a liquidation and 2. That they would not be able to secure financing elsewhere.

Come on! You don't seem to have a problem screaming, back up your argument with proof.

Where's your proof of such? This is pure speculation on your behalf, and probably something the reverend fed you guys without any proof of the above. Show me anything such as a quaterly report, or a press release, or any legal document that shows the above. Bedford didn't save anyone or anything at Midwest.

Well since you are so into proof Mr. Bond.... prove to me that RAH approached MW and not the other way around.........

FWIW... you all sound like a bunch of cackling hens.

Hell SKW has been buying themselves to the top of the regional ladder for years..... FIRST ASA.... then their failed attempt at XJET.... but i guess the 800 or so pilots that would have lost their jobs in that purchase would have been okay.....

Frankly I have no dog in this fight anymore.....but the "sizing" of the industry is NOTHING new. so called mainline companies have been moving this juggernaut for many years. i dare say in 10-15 years ( maybe less ) that most legacy carriers of today will have very few domestic flights. Domestic will be the pervue of those that survive ( whether we like it or not ) at this leverl.

And it's pure speculation on your behalf that they would still be ok....Do you know that they wouldnt be ok or would?....nope It is a private company...not even the pilots know what the financial s are.

And lastly many speak like i work there. I don't, so please refrain from thinking I do.

I really don't care about what happens because I'm not gonna be in the states to deal with it. But until pilots stop pointing fingers and stand up together as men, women and brothers this ****ing match will always continue.

You know what the beauty is.....no one really knows any details of any of this and only time will tell with the end result.

I think paying somebody money for the privilege of being awarded a contract is basically buying your flying. Call it financing, good business sense, predatory expansion or whatever you like, but its still very different than buying a tangible asset. So when Delta was basically giving a cash cow airline like ASA away for $375 million, I think that constitutes a different kind of purchase. As for XJT, I'm not sure the sentiment, but that airline deserves better than what they're getting now. I'm not sure if SKW would have provided that to them, but I don't think JA's intent was to cannibalize them.

Who was the arbitrator for this case? Also, who actually thinks any arbitrator will rule in pilots favor these days. They are so worried about doing $ harm to a company they cave for managment.

Did YOU loan them the money? Really doubt you've done anything to keep midwest from going Tango Uniform besides being employed by RAH.

Hopefully you're not naive enough to believe that contractual language, is actually going to give you protection against an individual who plans to violate your contract.

It'd be like sticking your finger in the barrel of a gun, attempting to stop the bullet.