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Originally Posted by hemaybedid
(Post 549800)
Just a question. I assume from your profile that you are furloughed from Comair. My question is if Comair furloughees maintain jumpseat privileges or non-rev privileges or both while on furlough? If you do I think that's great. I'd just like to know how it works incase there's something we could do at ASA to get something similar. I realize that Comair is owned by Delta and ASA is not. Just wondering if there is anything ASA could do for their furloughees.
No JS privileges. |
Anyone who says they will not ever utilize the aid of any crewmembers in an emergency is a tool. I hope to god I never fly with you sir
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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
(Post 549700)
I did see that CRJ200's had the option and Pinnacle once had the extra JS, but I don't ever recall seeing one.
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Originally Posted by BringDaFunk
(Post 549540)
Ive heard a few companies allow their FA's to acces the FD jumpseat jetblue being the biggest.I personally don't see the big deal-although you are signing up to be an XCM when you jumpseat-when i have an emergency im not gonna involve the help of another person-so if you think your gonna be workin the radios when i lose an engine over the hudson...think again. Flight attendants, dispatchers, controllers, mechanics are all fine to ride with me -that is if it was up to me.
A one day class during recurrent could show them policy and procedure. |
With your huge ego waying your head down, when you suffer a heart attack or something in the line of an anuerism that causes you to slump forward because your seatbelts weren't locked. The other crewmember might need some help hauling your body off the controls. They can't fly the plane and push you around. That might be an instance where you need someone to help out. You'd be thankful they were there then. But based on your shortsighted response, I most certainly assume you'd be able to just jump in the phonebooth kick out the bottom of the plane and with the big S painted on your underoos, gently lower the plane to safety, all by yourself. Never underestimate the help of ANY individual be it FA, FO, or any other jumpseat rider you may have on your flight deck. There are times and places, but if there is an emergecy such as an engine out in flight- i will not be asking a js to get involved unless it is absolutely necessary.I say this to show my support for letting other non-flying types(non-pilots) into the FD jumpseat. Most people are smart and capable, you give a mechanic or FA a class on sterile cockpit and they will stay quiet for 90% of the flight. I know this to be a fact as on a ferry at Midwest I let a FA sit up frontshe was a real talker-and her breath was as bad as her conversation ideas.I knew it and told her before she sat down that we couldnt have her yakking as we needed to hear atc and sterile cockpit still applied....she stayed quiet, and we survived as the air quality stayed somewhat managable. And as for ruining the commute for pilots, there could be rules set in place to prevent that like- Pilots have priority over the jumpseat in the same way most FA's have priority over the cabin JS. |
Originally Posted by BringDaFunk
(Post 550040)
And as for ruining the commute for pilots, there could be rules set in place to prevent that like- Pilots have priority over the jumpseat in the same way most FA's have priority over the cabin JS.
Also you would have a LOT more jumpseaters...you can usually assume that a pilot JSer is not going to mind if you read USA Today enroute, but can you say the same for some random FA (especially if she's of the older, more senior persuasion?). That would make a lot of legs uncomfortable. If this genie gets out of the bottle, it's not going back in...think real hard before you support this one. |
Originally Posted by BringDaFunk
(Post 549540)
.I personally don't see the big deal-although you are signing up to be an XCM when you jumpseat-when i have an emergency im not gonna involve the help of another person-so if you think your gonna be workin the radios when i lose an engine over the hudson...think again. A one day class during recurrent could show them policy and procedure.
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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
(Post 549700)
I did see that CRJ200's had the option and Pinnacle once had the extra JS, but I don't ever recall seeing one.
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@ The Juice
Cmon buddy we are on page 3 now,wake up:p Give 'em an inch, they will take a mile. Once their cockpit access is allowed, it would be very difficult to make the case that one class of employees should have priority access just because they are pilots. Even if the airlines supported us, somebody would sue. Also you would have a LOT more jumpseaters...you can usually assume that a pilot JSer is not going to mind if you read USA Today enroute, but can you say the same for some random FA (especially if she's of the older, more senior persuasion?). That would make a lot of legs uncomfortable. If this genie gets out of the bottle, it's not going back in...think real hard before you support this one. |
FA's are not allowed under FAR 121.547 in the cockpit jumpseat for commuting purposes. If an FA is up front is is either in an approved cockpit familiarity program (i.e. JetBlue), or due to the biological needs of the pilots (through your FOM/OM/GOM, and SOP or whatever your company calls it). Mechanics must be "on duty" and have a direct need to monitor the inflight systems.
The benefits, or distractions of having either group allowed in the cockpit are not relevant. Incorporating training into class so that they are educated on sterile cockpit thereby allowing you to help a fellow employee get home is not relevant. Look up FSIMS Vol. 3 Chapter 2 Para 3-41 on the FAA website, and it will help clear things up for you. |
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