Mesa FAs allowed to jumpseat on own metal??
 

Had a mesa Fa non-reving on a flight today, and she said that in the new contract (or ta), the flight attendants will be allowed to jumseat on their on airplanes...

Can anyone confirm this... How does this work with CASS??

I'm guessing that is has NOTHING to do with the cockpit JS. There are lots of airlines that allow their FA's to "Jumpseat" on their own airline. SOME airlines allow other airline FA's to JS on them. They are allowed to occupy the FA's JS. Now, I don't know about MESA's ERJ's, but the aircraft does have an aft FA JS that our FA's are allowed to occupy if the flight is full.

Also, depending on how the non rev agreement is structured, you can be charged a fee to non rev, even on your own airline. If using the JS, it won't cost the anything.

Ive heard a few companies allow their FA's to acces the FD jumpseat jetblue being the biggest.I personally don't see the big deal-although you are signing up to be an XCM when you jumpseat-when i have an emergency im not gonna involve the help of another person-so if you think your gonna be workin the radios when i lose an engine over the hudson...think again. Flight attendants, dispatchers, controllers, mechanics are all fine to ride with me -that is if it was up to me.
A one day class during recurrent could show them policy and procedure.

They already come in when one of the crew has to go to the restroom however I can only imagine the amount of chattering they'd introduce. Pilots know how to hear a callsign and general procedures. In general they pipe down at the right times as to not interfere with what's going on. I'm not dissing all FA's but within my own base there are several that spending any lengthy amount of time with in the cp would make me want to jump out.

You never know what help your gonna need. So let me pose this. With your huge ego waying your head down, when you suffer a heart attack or something in the line of an anuerism that causes you to slump forward because your seatbelts weren't locked. The other crewmember might need some help hauling your body off the controls. They can't fly the plane and push you around. That might be an instance where you need someone to help out. You'd be thankful they were there then.

But based on your shortsighted response, I most certainly assume you'd be able to just jump in the phonebooth kick out the bottom of the plane and with the big S painted on your underoos, gently lower the plane to safety, all by yourself.

Never underestimate the help of ANY individual be it FA, FO, or any other jumpseat rider you may have on your flight deck.

Whiskey

That's a very absolute statement and extremely silly, to say the least.

I've had plenty of FA's on the jumpseat in the cockpit over my time with the airlines. Mostly on ferry flights or empty charter repos.

The talking really isn't an issue and you can do a lot to show them the intricacies of your job and how they can help in a big picture sort of way during normal operations.

This most likely pertains to a new contract they have, which allows them to occupy the 2nd jumpseat in the CRJ. This could possibly allow them to jumpseat on other airlines, which some of them claim is not currently allowed.

To my knowledge, FAs are not allowed on the flight deck jumpseat, unless the CA allows it during a repo flight.

2nd JS on a CRJ? Where is that located? And Freedom does not have CRJ's. Mesa has 900's, but there are two F/A's on it (occupying both JS's).

Could be like the program Delta has for offline FA jumpseating. Any OAL FA can "jumpseat," but they are actually on an ID00. They are not allowed to occupy the actual js, there has to be an open seat, but it costs them nothing. They also don't have to check-in with the captain, because they are listed as non-revs, not XCMs.

Delta cracks me up! I was trying to get home on a flight a while back and got stuck in ATL (which seems to always happen). It was a full flight and I listed for the JS. A DAL captain showed up 10 minutes before the flight and listed as a JS. The gate agent told me that he took the JS (which is fine because he is DAL and I am Comair). He also stated that there is an extra FA JS in the 757 that was open, but that Comair does not have a FA JS agreement with DAL (because we have no extra JS) and I could not ride in that seat, but the DAL captain could (if he chose to). Funny how I can sit up front, but not in back! Anyway, the DAL captain overheard the conversation and never offered to ride in the FA seat so that I could ride up front and get home (it was only a 1 hour flight), instead he smiled and waved "Bye bye" as he headed down the jetbridge. I had to get a hotel room and wound up getting home at 2pm the following day.

Wow...thats just wrong. :mad: I would ride in the cargo compartment if they let me to help a fellow pilot get home.....

It is an option, most 200's do not have it.

I think some of the DAL guys have lingering issues with comair...probably over things that happened before Lowlevel even worked there :rolleyes:

I did see that CRJ200's had the option and Pinnacle once had the extra JS, but I don't ever recall seeing one.

Yep, and he was an older guy. It was that David Spade "Ba bye" wave too:mad:

Wow, maybe you should check this out: UAL 232: The Sioux City Crash

Bad idea...the problem is that if non-pilots becomes eligible for the cockpit jumpseat, the day after that is set in stone they will IMMEDIATELY start pushing for JS access based on seniority, ie DOH! A lot of senior FA's would have a much easier commute to work and a lot of pilots would be SOL. Remember FA's don't have a retirement age...their seniority keeps accruing until they petrify.

If you had been any other carrier other than Comair, you most likely would have gotten on that flight. Heck, even a Mesa or Gojet guy would have had a better chance than a Comair guy. While many view those two carriers in less than a favorable light, their actions have had less of a direct impact on the DL pilot group than some of Comair's actions. Not saying it's right, just that the Comair group has the biggest target right now.

She said it was in the cockpit. If true, I sure hope they will be added somehow in the CASS verification system.

Just a question. I assume from your profile that you are furloughed from Comair. My question is if Comair furloughees maintain jumpseat privileges or non-rev privileges or both while on furlough? If you do I think that's great. I'd just like to know how it works incase there's something we could do at ASA to get something similar. I realize that Comair is owned by Delta and ASA is not. Just wondering if there is anything ASA could do for their furloughees.

This incident was before I was furloughed (I was furloughed 2 weeks ago). We keep our non-rev benefits (because we are Delta owned and Delta pilots keep theirs during furlough too). After 30 days, you become a S3B for non-rev...and lose our S2's that we had.
No JS privileges.

Anyone who says they will not ever utilize the aid of any crewmembers in an emergency is a tool. I hope to god I never fly with you sir

Pinnacle never had an extra JS

Negative sir. JB FAs are allowed on 1 FD visit...fully FAA sponsored (its in the FOM).

Let me set it straight for all you who may have gotten the wrong message from that.This was a direct reply to a previous older thread in which the poster said that FD JS should be exclusive to pilots only. I will post the link if i find it.

There are times and places, but if there is an emergecy such as an engine out in flight- i will not be asking a js to get involved unless it is absolutely necessary.I say this to show my support for letting other non-flying types(non-pilots) into the FD jumpseat. Most people are smart and capable, you give a mechanic or FA a class on sterile cockpit and they will stay quiet for 90% of the flight.
I know this to be a fact as on a ferry at Midwest I let a FA sit up frontshe was a real talker-and her breath was as bad as her conversation ideas.I knew it and told her before she sat down that we couldnt have her yakking as we needed to hear atc and sterile cockpit still applied....she stayed quiet, and we survived as the air quality stayed somewhat managable.
And as for ruining the commute for pilots, there could be rules set in place to prevent that like- Pilots have priority over the jumpseat in the same way most FA's have priority over the cabin JS.

Give 'em an inch, they will take a mile. Once their cockpit access is allowed, it would be very difficult to make the case that one class of employees should have priority access just because they are pilots. Even if the airlines supported us, somebody would sue.

Also you would have a LOT more jumpseaters...you can usually assume that a pilot JSer is not going to mind if you read USA Today enroute, but can you say the same for some random FA (especially if she's of the older, more senior persuasion?). That would make a lot of legs uncomfortable.

If this genie gets out of the bottle, it's not going back in...think real hard before you support this one.

Sioux City Iowa, United 232 comes to mind. The Captain used all available resources and even enlisted the help of a dead heading pilot. I would not be so quick to discount the help of another pilot, whether in the JS or in the cabin.

You never saw one because Pinnacle never had a -200 with a second jumpseat.

@ The Juice
Cmon buddy we are on page 3 now,wake up:p

NO different wit the pilot types, get it in a contract, pilots have priority over FD JS and FA's over cabin JS's it would work and take it further, only on company metal-it would work just fine.Plus, there really is no difference with some pilot types...when it comes to sticklers-most of them know how boring it can get, when they come up just to keep the seats warm.

FA's are not allowed under FAR 121.547 in the cockpit jumpseat for commuting purposes. If an FA is up front is is either in an approved cockpit familiarity program (i.e. JetBlue), or due to the biological needs of the pilots (through your FOM/OM/GOM, and SOP or whatever your company calls it). Mechanics must be "on duty" and have a direct need to monitor the inflight systems.

The benefits, or distractions of having either group allowed in the cockpit are not relevant. Incorporating training into class so that they are educated on sterile cockpit thereby allowing you to help a fellow employee get home is not relevant. Look up FSIMS Vol. 3 Chapter 2 Para 3-41 on the FAA website, and it will help clear things up for you.

JB FAs have priority over any and every JB pilot on the Cabin Jumpseat...they'll never be permanently allowed in the cockpit because of exactly what Flyer2000 is saying below.

Nice dig...most around here don't bother to back their opinions with a factual reference!

But an opinion is just that. You can't be wrong about an opinion.

Ok most don't bother to back their posts with facts.

Or their facts with sources lol.

JB is kinda sketchy, ive seen alot go on there, and it seems as if the PIC says its all good then really-its all good. Just what I have seen.Andcan you explain the FA familiarity thing? I have seen with my own two eyes FA's take the FD jumpseat and mechanics ride in plain clothing while their families take the seats in back!

This contract stipulation refers to the 3-4 ex ACA -200s that Mesa has in the United Express operation that do have a 2nd FA JS. It is located in the rear of the cabin.

"kinda sketchy" wow. I've heard the JB haters say alot of things but I've never heard "kinda sketchy". I can assure you that with my own two eyes I've never, ever seen anything happen here that was not approved in our FOM. JB, unlike many other airlines, has made both the cockpit and cabin jumpseat available to every approved rider possible. So yes you can ride our cabin jumpseat even if you RJ doesn't have one or even if your mainline boss doesn't reciporate the privilege to us. Your FAs can also ride a cabin jumpseat even if she doesn't have one to offer. No problem as long as the CA (PIC) says it "all good". Welcome aboard and sorry for being so "sketchy". By the way, for the FAs its called the FDO program...and they only get to do it once on each aircraft. I'll show it to you the next time you ask for a ride straight out of my "kinda sketchy FOM". Carry on to well wherever you go.

cgt, you seem to think i have something against JB and I don't. Never did. After Champion i actually applied there. And you're right they actually do make every JS available which is why I have seen Mecahnics and flight attendants take the FD JS, which may not be too good as far as the FAA is concerned. BUt goign back to my original post- is something I would be more than willing to do.

Well if it's in the FOM than the FAA can have no problem with it, they approved the FOM and that is now law as far as JB or any other carrier is concerned...

JB is not complying with FAR 121.547. They do not have to, because their FAA approved manual says they can allow the FA's to ride in the JS (once).

FAR 121 is a template for airlines, but each airline may modify it via their OPSPECS as they see fit (with FAA concurrence).

Any company which could convince their federal overseers to allow it could open up the cockpit JS to FA's. This would not be trivial, but I suspect if a company required required FA jumpseaters to possess a 2nd class medical you might be able to get it approved. Plenty of FA's would spend $100/year to improve their commute.