MAG Payroll SNAFU
 

If anybody has been on Mars and is still wondering what it's like to work for a messed up company like Mesa, take a look at my recent paycheck. What I thought was an adjustment check to cover our recent contract's fab new "scheduled-or-better" instead turned out to be an OVERPAYMENT due to payroll's mistake. Their mistake has now become MY problem. Take a look at this screenshot of my direct deposit account at WFargo (should be WTFFargo):

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Notice the two deposits, followed by a "reversal" then an overdraft protection which maxed-out my credit card and a final balance of $-1,187.07!!! After I calmed down and called a WF banker I realized that when I signed up for DD I authorized MAG to pull money out of my account. :mad:

Wow. Time to go back to paper deposits I suppose. No, actually it's time to get the heck out of MAG and get a better job. Hello, Skywest? Yooo hooo! Yes, I will gladly throw away 5+ years of seniority and four stripes into the trashcan and start over, preferably in the right seat of the EMB-120. Get me OUTTA here PLEASE! I'm going nutz!

Comments? Has this happened at your company?
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Be careful of what you wish for.

Thats what you get for working for Freedom Airlines....no sympathy here

Have you called/ visited payroll yet? Sorry to hear that. Maybe you see if WF can help you out, with a loan or something. Get away from MAG.

Yea, I'm out in the cold. Had a lot of important bills on my CC that this was supposed to cover, but hey what are ya gonna do? Guess the student loan people will have to wait, along with the other essentials of life that so many are losing in this day and age. Oh well, at least I have a job right?
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Well If I get an additonal deposit in that amount from my company; I will be a little cautious about it before I go and spend it. I wont go and use it the same day. DUUUUO... I understand you had payments to do but you were not expecting it anyways. Well it is only one person to blame and it is you .... oh well you work for Freedom not further comment

Flying High and The Dude should write a book. I had no idea you can pick the company to work for. Tomorrow morning, I think I will start work at WN. Nevermind that you have a family to feed, or the whole economy is crippled, you should quit working for Freedom. Come on guys. It seems most of the trashtalkers on here were hired during the hiring boom, and lack any seniority or experience. It's funny when FOs with 250 hours complain about how bad things are. You should have 4 times that in dual given.

ERJ,

unfortunately once you have DD, the company can and will pull funds out if they make a mistake. I usually always transfer from one account to another that they can't touch as soon as the money hits. That way I can have a little more control over when they get their $$ back should a mistake been made.

ERJ,

I'm very sorry to see this. Being put in debt hopelessly is a terrible feeling. I flew twin Cessna's for a P135 company in the US that bounced an entire series of my paychecks, got me over drafted, and then refused to cover the fees for me. I left that company as soon as I responsibly could. I hope SkyWest opens a door for you... keep an eye on United.

Your in my prayers, sir!

... not needed. I'm sure ERJ is a good person who took a job with someone who could provide him with a career furthering opportunity, even if it wasn't the best.

I don't have any sympathy. A $2000 contract adjustment.... the fact it was the same EXACT amount paid twice.... and that does not raise a red-flag to you?? Get real... It's your problem because you transferred a suspicious deposit out of your account. It appears as soon as Mesa accidently paid you twice, you transferred that money out of your account to somewhere else. Why? Why would you transfer money out that you know is NOT YOURS??? ZERO sympathy. I am usually not one to speculate, but it seems you took that money out of your account not knowing they had the ability to reverse it. I am not sure what you thought you were going to do with it. But when they reversed it and you got screwed, you cry about them making the situation right.

Payroll snafus happen everywhere. It happened a lot when I worked for other carriers and not as Mesa. I've also heard good things from other pilots that Mesa payroll is good at fixing things when they are wrong. I'm sorry, but this one is your fault.

Just when you think mesa can't get any worse. I have a friend at SKW who got overpaid...they want the money back, but they did not deduct it from his account without warning! :rolleyes: He agreed to an installment plan.

I can't imagine anybody getting F'd by Mesa. They seem like such a solid company.

Speak to a lawyer yet?

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Wow, a little bit from all sides; can't give the flames much credibility when they say it's my own fault... I have gotten multiple paychecks from MAG in the past, and we were supposed to be expecting to get a back-pay adjustment for B/B that was negotiated into the new contract. What does the fact that they are the same amount mean? So they broke it up into two checks... which as I say they have done before.

Luckily WF dropped the overdraft fees that amounted to $75! And, if SKW has made this mistake before, well I suppose it is par for the course. BUT, I got no warning from anyone about this, and just tiptoed through the tulips thinking I was going to finally pay off some big bills.

Oh well, such is life. Yea, I will just go across the street and get another pilot job... *bingo* Heck, what I really wish for is an abrupt end to this clown airline. It'd be the best thing that has happened to me in a while.

In the mean time, I think it's time to end the DD thing. Back to paper and this won't happen again. Fool me once, fool me twice. Yet, I still work for MAG so I can't dodge the fool label for long.

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And, come to find out I wasn't the only one this happened to. Apparently a large number of our pilots were effected by this. Go figure.

Yea, definitely got two $1500 dollar deposits in my account. Was hoping either it was somehow related to the block or better back pay thing which hasn't happened yet, or some mess up that they wouldn't catch. But yea still looking forward to giving up my 2 years of seniority when SkyWest calls.

Got a couple paychecks by mistake at transstates once, Turned out to be some odd amount, my overage from the previous month + half guarantee + the next month's half guarantee....They called me after it happened, i apparently wasn't alone, but, they didn't pull the money out of the account. Instead, they just deducted it out of the later check the next month....sucked, i hate budgeting that far in advance.

Wait, you guys are allowing them to violate your new (crappy) contract regarding pay? It's been over a month and nothing's been done about the block or better?

Nobody I ever met could make sense of MAG payroll. I wouldn't blame anyone for not knowing what a particular deposit was for, or whether it was the right amount.

Block or better has been in effect since Dec. 7. About a month of that was "retro," and we just got paid for it.

Sure, you can pick the company you WANT to work for. Might not happen. But you sure as hell can pick the company NOT to work for.

I was hired in the mid 90s when things were bad and I flew turboprops at the commuters, not an RJ. I had 4000hrs before I even touched a jet. I also have about 1000hrs dual given. Does that make me NOT a trashtalker in your book? Do I really care? NO.

I have issues when guys go to work for the alter-egos of already low paying (damn near criminal) commuter airlines. IE. no sympathy when they complain about it.

I'm going to get my kneepads RIGHT NOW! Do you want me to wear the red or green lipstick?
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Ah, you might want to talk to some folks about that--my understanding from a couple of guys "in the know" is if you are on reserve, you DO NOT get B/B.

Go 400.
Peace out.

Just when you thought Skywest could not get any worse.

Mesa does not force you to share a room during ground school. Mesa pays you a 70 hour guarantee while in ground school.

I have a friend who failed SKY upgrade training. He was fired. When he got home a $1400 hotel bill was waiting for him.

This is a ridiculous debate.

So how much money does your single-occupancy hotel room put in your wallet each and every month? Maybe you can fantasize about it when you're sleeping on the airplane on a stand-up. I think SKW pays 65 hours in training, so if you got paid an extra 5 hours at mesa that would be what 10-15 hours of new hire pay? Put that in your savings account and deduct from it every time mesa works rules cause you to work without getting paid....see how long it lasts :rolleyes:

Take into account work rules, pay scale (after year 1), bonuses, and benefits SKW pays about 40% more than mesa...yes I speak from experience.

Actually I do not recall getting paid guarantee at mesa until after the sim ride.

But I agree with you about the upgrade thing, I would change it if I could (yes, I voted for the union).

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Hmmm...Seems to forget that Freedom and Mesa are ONE (all under ALPA)!!! At least the Mesa pilots pulled off what TSA did not do with %$Jet.
I know so many guys who were on the "Mesa" list who had thier Mesa ID's taken away from them, then they were issued Freedom ID's and put in Ground School to fly the same tail number they were flying the week prior.

Me thinks that you're just a little :rolleyes: behind on the industry.

And I was wondering why their stock closed UP 3 cents (at 11 cents) today. The money must have just gone through this afternoon. I really should ahve bought at 8 cents yesterday. 37% return on your money in 24 hours. :)


;) Just messing with all you Mesa people. I have some good friends over there. I wish the best for you guys and I wish NO pilot out of a job.

Ah, you mean the Del Ghetto. Ok, this will be the topic for my next "my regional is worse than yours" post entitled:
Housing at MAG, a trip down skid row.

I just did recurrent and took PHOTOS to share with you fine folks who need to know before you make your "informed" decision on where to apply. Unfortunately the roaches were camera shy, so I didn't get to snap a picture of ol' JOey. Next time... next time.
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Oh, and:
I don't know what crack you've been smoking but pass the pipe my way, I need some escape. I have fought this battle, I don't know how many times and LOST every one. If it isn't the drugs, you must have some sweet connections in SOC- DS or BL? Nevertheless, you shouldn't be requesting this room anyhow, remember what the MEC just said: "Our company is in survival mode... This is occurring at a time when MAG’s unrestricted cash position continues to deteriorate."

Wow. It keeps getting better and better... if you worked a bid in JFK before Dec '08, you would have flown 80, credited 65 and gotten paid 70. This problem was systemic in ORD as well to my understanding.

I beg to differ with you there Chow, they have and will do it and draw you into the negative. I left MAG and they paid off my vacation to the tune of $ 8000.00. as soon as it hit my account I transferred it to my other account, they then backed out $1500.00 and drew me in the negative overnight. the original $ 8000.00 was correct seeing as in my 8 plus years I had not taken a vacation . I tried to get it back but it fell on deaf ears....

What is that supposed to mean? Where do you work? Is it the highest paid 747 gig? I didn't think so. So, by your implied insult you must also be a scum sucking bottom feeder. After all you are bringing down the industry with you below average 747 pay scale!