Any New AWAC news??
 

I haven't heard much on here on the AWAC front, just curious if there has been any postive outlook over there. They've always been a company that I would like to work for (and a base I want!) prior to hiring freezes and furloughs.

Any possible recalls for attrition, extra flying, or (gasp) growth. Not sure if they've been benefitted from their reason investment in Airways. Any possibility of them getting any bigger equipment than the 200s? Shorter training if already typed in the CRJ-200?

I know I'll probably get plenty of doom and gloom answers, but anybody with any positive info is appreciated!:D

A vacancy offered recall to 4 or 5 fo's and one captain that took a voluntary leave. I believe there is another very small vacancy out right now. No real changes that I know of, just small attrition.

We are slowly getting some Block Hours back from Airways....which is hopefully a sign of good things to come.

As far as the 35 million dollar loan we gave to Airways? We were told our contract would be extended...but Mgmt. did not specify how much longer it will be for.

One of the other things I had heard came from a Station Manager...who was out in PHX for a conference. She had told me that aside from the contract extension.....we will be offered the "First Right of Refusal" for all the PHX flying when Mesa's Contract either expires or the go out of business. Take it with a grain of salt obviously but hey...a little growth in this company wouldnt be a bad thing.

Yes you will get all of Mesa's PHX flying because US Airways wants to replace all of Mesa's 900 flying in PHX with AWAC's mighty CRJ 200 fleet!

US Airways wants to replace Mesa and AWAC has the money to buy/lease the CRJ900's when/if Mesa goes ch7. PHX will not be a one feeder town if Mesa liquidates or after 2012 if they make it.

You don't work for Mesa, do you?

Oh, you do, well that would explain the childish response....

Hey lets put your MIGHTY 900 check next to my little awac 200 check. I bet i win! Seems like a very weak attempt to belittle awac and there fleet. But hey you are a mesa FO, we all can understand.

I did hear that they have a recurrent class on march 2nd i think with the recalls and the couple FOs that took the 6 month leave. One of my buddies that took the sixth month leave said that they are calling back 4 or 5 more after they are all done, which will be april i guess??

Good to hear AWAC is recalling a few guys. Maybe the fellows at PSA will do the same.

Whatever happened to the money the AWAC's pilots were supposed to receive after the payroll give back?

Awwww it's dead allready... I guess not to much is happening.

If a companies only chance of growth is hoping that the comp dies then to each his own.. Remember AWAC could not even win the Midwest Connect Flying which was right in their back yard.. As much as everyone wants to see Mesa Die. they are much Cheaper to Operate than most regionals.. and in This Economy Mainline will crunch Numbers and give it to the cheapest reagional, AWAC is too Expensive. Yea Airways may toss a bone their way but the reality is AWAC is one of the Most Expensive Regionals to Operate They have a Great Contract decent pay but Reality is Mainline is in survival mode so Unless the economy comes out of Recession and start to Expand in the Next 14 months or so Expect to see more Furloughs and Cuts at Mainline but More so at the Regional..

Unless you have pure hard facts to back up your statement I'd say you don't have a clue as to why AWAC didn't "win" the flying. Maybe, just maybe they opted out because they didn't want a two year contract. They've been through that before. Why invest if there is no long term interest. i.e. Airtran. I'd say at this point with the debacle going on at Midwest, maybe they made a pretty smart business decision.

If you have something in hard factual format I'd like to see it. But if you don't, it's just another rumor or another opinion.

Whiskey

Looking back, at the time I think we'd have been overjoyed to get the Midwest flying; MKE base, more aircraft, upgrades, etc. But with the benefit of another 2 years in this industry, I think it's pretty safe to say we're all extremely glad we didn't. None of us would have wanted a hand in the unfolding debacle at Midwest, the shutting down of Skyway and ultimately a bunch of aircraft that would be returned to the lessors but we'd continue to pay for.

There are a lot of things the pilot group at ZW can say about the owners but one thing I think we'd say with absolute certainty, is that they are nothing if not shrewd when it comes to making money. A lot of the very senior guys that commute from MKE and WI, are convinced that AWAC pulled their bid because the terms of the contract weren't in AWAC's best interest.



I find it amusing and somewhat sad that there is this general feeling that you should be embarrassed that your company is more expensive. Should I be embarrassed that I work under what is a great contract, considering that it's 6 years old or that I get block or better, on leg by leg basis. Full CX and DH pay, No blended pay-rates, Trip and Duty Rigs, Max scheduled days depending on start time, Day rooms for extended sits, No PBS, decent 401K matching, etc, etc.

If getting 70/90 seaters means I lose any of that, then you can keep 'em because when all is said and done there are only 3 things I care about; My paycheck, my QOL and my days off. Once the door is closed, it doesn't really matter how many people are in the cabin because it still looks the same to me.

Sorry for the Hi-jack.

I hope we can get all the furloughed guys back ASAP. If I fly with any of them, the first nights beers will be on me.

Hey Kenny, you said it best, but does that first night of beers in include guys coming back from VLOA? hahaha

Hey Kenny, GREAT responce and I cant agree with you more, and I'm one of the 64 on furlough. If I get back on property soon I'll take you up on that free beer, but I'll have to get you a couple in return. You wouldn't happen to be LGA based would you?

With every regional over the last year and a half looking for new business I would not say they Opt out.. AWAC lost to Skywest simple and now RAH is doing some flying for Midwest.. Whats wrong with a 2 year contract..

Bottom line is AWAC is way too expensive in this economy and I dont see a ton of Code shares lining up to dish out 50 seat Flying

What's wrong with a 2-year contract is that AWAC would have had to invest a lot of money for little guarantee of a return. The fact that AWAC is privately owned means the owners can look for longer term results for themselves. They don't have to look solely for next quarter's results and growth, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted that Midwest contract as much as everyone else here. But nobody laments not having it right now. Midwest is in dire straits and if they collapse Skywest and Republic will take a hit.

More power to them if they can be profitable. But the owners of AWAC do things differently. End of story. I don't know why you wish to act like you know everything that goes on here. Even the employees barely know what goes on here.

It is also generally acknowledged that we are cost competitive with other carriers. But the owners want a specific return over a longer period of time and this is one reason the bids have been 'uncompetitive'.

Nobody really knows what goes on here, least of all someone who doesn't work here.

Slow your roll capitan I never said I know everthing that happens at AWAC I am stating My opinion based on what DID not happen.. if you get off on trying to get a Rise out of me by targeting me.. Good luck I will still state my opinions on the boards within the confines of the TOS for APC if you have a prob with that alert the mods.

Cheers...

You're not very bright are you?? So I'll make this really simple;

2 years is probably an ok deal if you've got the spare planes sitting around. If, you've got to go and dig them out of hibernation after they've been sitting in the desert for an extended period of time, you're going to have to spend extra $$ getting them up to scratch. If you spend more initially, then you're not going to make as much over the 2 year period. So simple even a Mesa pilot could understand it.

And you know this how?? I very much doubt that you were privy to any discussions between Midwest, AWAC and Skywest or that to pull the bid would have been very much in keeping with the way the AWAC owners do things.

In the end it really doesn't matter what transpired. Skywest flies for Midwest, AWAC doesn't and now the poor b@stards at Midwest are getting royally screwed. Like I said before, I think we're pretty glad we didn't get the contract.

I am happy you Trust your owners If I can recall isnt it the same owners who screwed you guys knowing that United was not going to renew your flying but got concessions from the Pilot Group then ran to Airways something like that.. and made a boat load of money at the expense of the pilot group You sure do have alot of faith in them...

A certain airline not to be named SUCKS.

Again, your post is full of inaccuracies. So here's a little history lesson, just for you:

The owners did not screw us because they knew UAL wasn't going to renew our contract with them. What they did was make UAL pay AWAC at the old rates, with the excess over the new contract going into an escrow account. This money was supposed to go to UAL, in the event that UAL chose to affirm AWAC's contract. In the even that UAL didn't, it was to go to AWAC. In the meantime though, the AWAC pilots were getting paid under the subsequent concessionary contract.

We got screwed because we didn't get an affirmed contract with UAL, the owners pocketed the money and we found out we never had an affirmed contract which was the basis for us taking concessions. The owners never thought UAL would get rid of us but in the end the opportunity to make a deal with USAir came along and they made about $450 million out of it.

There is only one thing I have complete faith in the owners for and that is their ability to make money. Other than that, I don't trust them any further than I could kick them, And I'm not sure why you think I do trust them, considering I didn't say it.

Blkflyer did you interview here and get the thanks, but no thanks letter? What is your problem? You don't work here, and we don't hire folks with that kind of mentality...This thread is not about the past but the future of AWAC. If you don't have anything regarding that please don't post things that don't matter to anyone but you. Thankyou from your neighborhood AWAC FO

Wasnt Blkflyer a TSA furlough turned Gojet?

Some haters may say we lost the Midwest contract etc, but at the end of the day I'll bet one of two things; they either got rejected by AWAC or they are ****ed that our management treats us decently while they are treated like trash.....

Geez,

Lots of cranky people out there, I am just happy as a puppy with two peters to be recalled next week.

I think the bean counters at AWAC planned ahead by furloughing early. We are recalling pilots now while other airlines are just now starting to furlough.

Now what airline do you think knows what they are doing? The one furloughing, or the one recalling?

[QUOTE=whoareyou310;556124]Blkflyer did you interview here and get the thanks, but no thanks letter? What is your problem? You don't work here, and we don't hire folks with that kind of mentality...This thread is not about the past but the future of AWAC. If you don't have anything regarding that please don't post things that don't matter to anyone but you. Thankyou from your neighborhood AWAC FO[/QUOT

Why do you ask.. do you think that your REGIONAL is better than Mine is thy way.. GET a life AWAC is still a REGIONAL...

So now what dont tell me you Hate GoJet too huh..

Why would I want to work there anyway.. it was just last year that you said you wished you were not at AWAC

10-28-2008, 02:42 PM Position: CRJ-200 FO
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It sucks here right now....I wish I had gone somewhere else..

We will never grow...only the ground handling will.


YOU OWN WORDS... oh yea thanks for the ADVICE and personal attacks

Flyboy Slow your Roll My comments were exactly the same comment you made on OCT 28 2008 let me nudge your memory...

Despite all our Furloughed Pilots and Downgraded Capts due to our "Reduced Flying"....its still damn near impossible to drop anything...it know its worse on the Capt. side.....yet Mgmt. still wants 16 more Capt's to take COLA

We will NEVER grow under our own power.....Our Company is just waiting for Mesa to tank so we can get a piece of the Action.

Not much else.....Mgmt. is also trying to stuff PBS down our throats by making our schedules complete garbage.

Now I say the same thing and suddenly I am considered somehow clueless.

Your words flyboy not mine. seems like some of us have volatile short term memory...

Blkflyer,
I'm not going to bash you but simply ask a question or two. This thread is called "Any New AWAC News", so far all you've done is try and stir the pot and attempt to talk trash about the company, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to put down AWAC so you feel better about your career decisions? Are you jelious of the pilot group at AWAC? Or are you just hateful in all aspects of your life? Not trying to citicize you, just trying to better understand where you're comming from.

This used to be a normal thread...
 

I sense a thread lock coming on.

If you want to argue on the internet, do it via PM's.



Arguing on the internet is like something something something.

I stand corrected. Hey Kenny where can I get a Copy of the O level physics book by Abbott I have been looking for a copy I have not seen one in 20 years,
I stand by my post that a companies business model for growth should not be to wait for another company to go under. and it seems as if thats what AWAC management is doing

AWAC certainly isn't the only company out there waiting for the demise of another...It's dirty. Almost cannibalistic...

If you read my original post you will see how the tread developed. I said exactly what an AWAC employee said a few months ago with respect to Mesa and future Growth at AWAC.. Well some didnt like what I said. Even the person who made the statement a few months ago is having an attitude now. My point is its amazing how some of us have short memories..

You never did answer the question Blkflyer...

Blkflyer,
Like I said before this thread is about the FUTURE of the company, not what someone said months ago, why you dislike the company or anything along those lines..... It's about the FUTURE (Definition: The form of a verb used in speaking of action that has not yet occurred or of states not yet in existence), so lets try and talk about that......

What does it matter. so we can start another Tar and Feather another Gojet pilot thread...

a wise man once said be mindful of your past cause it may affect your future so yea. I stand by my post as your fellow coworker said about 5 months ago One was upset he went to AWAC the other was Upset that it seemed like the only Growth was with Ground handling..

I dont dislike AWAC no where did I ever said that. I am simply saying that waiting on a company to fail in order to grow is not prudent at all.. too many what Ifs. think about this what IF Mesa somehow stays afloat and Airways have them for a few more years does that mean that all the AWAC FOs on Furlough stay on Furlough, just a thought

I think it's kind of like knowing your girlfriend has a huge backside, yet it's still rude and immature for some random guy to state the claim. Unless you're somehow related to AWAC, I'd stay out of it. Most of my friends at Wisky made 45-50K during their sophomore year, which is certainly more than some other regionals who operate larger equipment.

EVERY regional has its issues, but arguing that a company - a privately held company - that you don't work for is "too expensive" is laughable. Shame on AWAC for having semi-reasonable rates and work rules. How dare they, right?