Originally Posted by surfer1212 (Post 556435)

I have a question about something since negotiations again lead to nothing. What are the legalities in a vote of no confidence on PT. I know it doesn't mean much, but it would at least send a strong message to the investors that the company's largest employee group no longer has faith in its management to lead the company in the right direction. Anyone have any input on this....

Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 556449)

Investors don't care what pilots or employees think...the fact is PT has squeezed record performance numbers out of a pilot group that's operating on 2004 wages...investors would laugh at a vote like that...and you're assuming the pilot group would all vote "no confidence."

We already vote "keep Phil" with our perf. numbers...which is one of many reasons why the company has zero incentive to sign anything. I for one am sick and tired of watching captain after captain use their cell phone to keep the ball rolling with dispatch/mx, doing the company favors taking out planes with ambiguously worded (and sometimes obvious) mel's that they could easily reject/refuse/delay, and in general being way more concerned with the length of their overnight and not having to fuss around with ops/send delay reports than they are with a contract. I'd say at least 90% of the CAs I fly with whine and complain about how messed up the company/dispatch/lack of a contract is, but the same 90% use their cellphones and religiously take out airplanes they could refuse...

It's put up or shut up...and no one puts up here, so it's left to the union/NMB to actually do something about it...at least no one can say we're doing anything in bad faith, since there is almost nil work slowdown mentality anywhere I've seen...

Originally Posted by Jetrecruiter (Post 556589)

I am a CA at 9E and you have hit the nail spot on dude. I had to stop and think about it when I got a sprint bill and I was over my minutes and a majority of those phone call were to SOC (dispatch and MX desk). I paid overage charges for being a company man to a company that screws me over and over again with JA, extensions and is not willing to give us a contract. I appreciate the stance the Union has taken in not giving in to the company's demands and if we (pilot group) stood together and just said "no" to some of the flights and equipment we fly arround all day in things could possibly change for the better. I am tired of being used to meet company goals , then only to get racked over the coals.

Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 556602)

You are a lot more proactive than I am. If its not between the hours of 7pm and 7am, I refuse to use my cell phone. The company is NOT minute-worthy. Numbers are not in....wait 10 min, then 1 single call to ops. No rampers to park or push..wait 10 min, then single call to ops. If i need to get a hold of dispatch or MX, that is what acars is for. Even then, its 1 msg and 1 msg only. If they take 20min to get back to me, too friggin bad. I do my job and mine alone. I am not going to do anything "above and beyond". I will do my job to the best of my ability and thats it. If the company wants more out of me, they can cancel the g-damn displacement and give us a contract.:mad:

Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 556449)

Investors don't care what pilots or employees think...the fact is PT has squeezed record performance numbers out of a pilot group that's operating on 2004 wages...investors would laugh at a vote like that...and you're assuming the pilot group would all vote "no confidence."

We already vote "keep Phil" with our perf. numbers...which is one of many reasons why the company has zero incentive to sign anything. I for one am sick and tired of watching captain after captain use their cell phone to keep the ball rolling with dispatch/mx, doing the company favors taking out planes with ambiguously worded (and sometimes obvious) mel's that they could easily reject/refuse/delay, and in general being way more concerned with the length of their overnight and not having to fuss around with ops/send delay reports than they are with a contract. I'd say at least 90% of the CAs I fly with whine and complain about how messed up the company/dispatch/lack of a contract is, but the same 90% use their cellphones and religiously take out airplanes they could refuse...

It's put up or shut up...and no one puts up here, so it's left to the union/NMB to actually do something about it...at least no one can say we're doing anything in bad faith, since there is almost nil work slowdown mentality anywhere I've seen...

Originally Posted by Jetrecruiter (Post 556589)

...I got a sprint bill and I was over my minutes and a majority of those phone call were to SOC (dispatch and MX desk)...

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 556644)

Take your Sprint bill to the CPs and ask for reimbursement. If (when) they laugh, explain that you will not be using your cellphone for company business ever again. Show them the bill again so they can see how many delays you avoided or reduced because you used your phone - then whatever the outcome, you win.

(Then stop using your cellphone anyway):D