DAL pilot just relieved 76 seat scope again!
 

DAL pilots just signed a LOA with the company now allowing 152 76 seat airplanes as apposed to 120. Let the fighting begin for new airframes.












p.s. None of us will ever move on to mainline jobs. This has to stop!

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Typically, barring a negotiated settlement, grievances are eventually decided by binding
arbitration before a neutral third party, often at a point well into the future. While the
Association feels confident that our interpretation of Section 1 B. 40. d. and e. is correct,
there always remain several elements of risk whenever an issue is decided through
arbitration.
After a number of face-to-face meetings and careful consideration, the parties reached a
Settlement Agreement which mitigates the litigation risks but more importantly confirms
the Association’s interpretation of the PWA and provides real and meaningful additional
furlough protection for hundreds of the most vulnerable pilots on our seniority list, very
similar to protections already available to more senior pilots.
The Settlement Agreement provides that:
•
The Company will agree to the Association’s interpretation of Section 1 B. 40.
d. and e. but provides a one-time exception to this interpretation allowing the
Company to operate up to 153 * 76-seat jets so long as the Company does not
furlough any pilot on the integrated system seniority list as of February 9, 2009,
the date the agreement was signed. With agreement on the interpretation of
Section 1 B. 40. d. and e, any further increase above 153 76-seat jets will
require substantial mainline fleet growth. For example, for the Company to add
a 154th 76-seat jet, the mainline would have to be comprised of 768 mainline
jets. Today the mainline fleet consists of 753 aircraft.
•
If the Company does furlough any pilot on the Integrated System Seniority List,
then the Company will physically remove six passenger seats from the number
of 76-seat jets (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) that
exceeds the authorized number of 76-seat jets under the Association’s
interpretation of Section 1 B. 40. d. and e.
•
While the Company will have 90 days from the first furlough to physically
remove the seats, such seats will become immediately unusable for any purpose
upon the furlough of the very first pilot on the list.
It’s important to understand that the agreement is a settlement over an issue of scope
language interpretation and not an issue of “scope relief.” Scope language is intended to
protect pilot jobs. This agreement enhances job protections for Delta pilots. There has
been no change to the scope language in our contract, and this settlement will not
increase the number of regional jet hulls; it simply codifies the number of seats that will
be allowed in up to 26 of those aircraft. It allows up to a total of 156 seats throughout the
system (26 aircraft x 6 seats per airplane = 156) in exchange for furlough protections for
hundreds of Delta pilots and their families and definitive agreement on the contractual
language moving forward. Further, this agreement does not increase the ceiling on the
total number of 70-seat/76-seat jets permitted by Section 1 B. 40. That number remains
at 255, and with 153 76-seat jets, the total of 70/76-seat jets will be 224 while the overall
number of all regional jets has decreased substantially over the past year.
The presentation used to describe this Settlement Agreement to the MEC is available as a
PDF document on the Contract Administration Committee page of the Delta MEC
website (Public) to provide you with additional information on the
agreement.

Man, how many times have we seen the pilots bite the no furlough carrot.

Apparently DALPA never saw Star Trek II. Spock himself said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Doesn't DALPA understand basic Vulcan logic?

What a bunch of fools. If mgmt thought there was any chance of a furlough they would never put this on the table anyway.

are there actually new airframes available? The way i understood it was that delta had to many rj's flying right now and were in violation of the scope. so instead of having to get rid of rj's for being in violation they simply just raised the allowed amount to the number that is out there now.

That is correct but it still is a concession by the pilots in exchange for basically nothing.

and it's not going to help a single regional pilot either. these new airframes will come as a reduction of 50 seaters. 2:1 at least.

How many 76 seaters are in the DCI system? From what I have found we were 23 aircraft over the previous 120 aircraft limit. If that is true then we still haven't reached the new cap. Still don't think it matters because they are gonna remove 50 seaters.

[QUOTE=RiddleEagle18;556539]DAL pilots just signed a LOA with the company now allowing 152 76 seat airplanes as apposed to 120. Let the fighting begin for new airframes]

I guess I can kiss the dream of ever flying for a Major or Legacy. Is AA the only pilot group with sense? The no furlough carrot will be yanked off the table if the economy continues to go south.

[QUOTE=Jetrecruiter;556598]I think Continental is still holding scope at 50 seats.

Not sure about the ratio, but the rest is so true.

Agreed. Its totally pathetic. I'm in utter disbelief that we could do this with no input from any line pilot.

It wasn't the line pilot that did this. We had NO say in the matter. I guess once again our Union Reps just think they know what is best for us. Let's restore the profession! Excuse me while I go throw up!

I think whats great about this is that both groups are finally fed up with it all. The majority of regional pilots realize this is not good for their career(except the RJDC guys) and most major guys are sick of giving it up.

I'm getting so ****ed reading the majors board I figured I'll break my silence here and respond to your post...

Not to mention FNW pilots were completely blindsided by this! We had no idea. This happened before our MEC's joined forces. I bet our(FNW) MEC didn't know this was going on, or at the very least, it was a done deal before they could stop it.

As someone mentioned yesterday on the majors, we need to elect some firebreathers (FNW) who won't deal with this crap!

Furlough protection is worthless!!!

That is ALPA for you. I guess we Regional Pilots will never be able to fly for the Majors.

I know. That's my point. The line pilots interests were completely disregarded by our "elected" officials. Disgusting.

I agree. I was furloughed from 2001-2006 under the No Furlough clause that was thrown out due to Force Majeure.

You're right about the FNWA MEC. They couldn't have known this deal was being done behind their backs because I doubt seriously they would have gone along with it.

". . . any further increase above 153 76-seat jets will require substantial mainline fleet growth. For example, for the Company to add a 154th 76-seat jet, the mainline would have to be comprised of 768 mainline jets. Today the mainline fleet consists of 753 aircraft."

Projection: (From previous post)

Delta purchases 36 CRJ1000s for mainline pushing 753 to 789. In the process Delta negotiates a "final" regional scope limit of 99 seats. Everything 100 or above will belong to mainline.

CRJ1000's. . .ugh.

What a waste this profession is going to be.

[quote=RiddleEagle18;556539]DAL pilots just signed a LOA with the company now allowing 152 76 seat airplanes as apposed to 120. Let the fighting begin for new airframes.

I do not like the agreement but lets try and be at least factual. The agreement Delta signed does not allow a single additional airframe.
The company and DALPA were in disagreement on the current scope clause. The company felt it allowed them a larger number of aircraft with 76 seats verses having them restricted to 70. The dispute was over seat numbers not airframes. Dalpa maintained that there position was the company was currently limited to 127 aircraft with the extra 6 seats. The company had a higher number. (156) A grievance was filed. DALPA reached a settlement with the company that provided two main points for DALPA. The company agreed that DALPA's method of determining the number of 76 seat airframes would be used for all future calculations. The company also agreed that if any pilots hired after 01 were furloughed the additional aircraft allowed the 6 extra seats would be converted back to 70 seats.

The company can keep the current aircraft with 76 seats in service.
There are a couple of key points. If this went to arbitration the company could use the aircraft until a ruling. It is likely that by the summer of 10 the company would have been in compliance with aircraft coming and could have the aircraft anyway. What the company got in the end was the right to operate 19 aircraft with 6 additional seats for perhaps a year. Had we won the arbitration however it was felt that the arbitrator might not force them to remove the seats anyway and the company would be within months of compliance regardless.

19? no, like 2 or 3

Just reinforces that the Delta ALPA is just a company owned union now. When you sell it cheap, you're a *****. When you give it away like this, you're a slut.

How many seats does CRJ1000 configured for with the First Class seats?

I don't think there are any RJs out there in SERVICE that has more seats than CRJ900 at the moment and CRJ900 for DAL is configured for 76 seats.
So if CRJ1000 are ordered for the DAL mainline, which would be a really good thing, what RJ has seats between the CRJ900 and the CRJ1000?

Agreed!! I challenge every pilot, mainline or regional, to email lee noam and express your opinions. He is definitly not acting in the best interests of the pilots he "represents".

Can you guys do a recall vote / impeachment vote on your MEC elected officials?

That guy is in bed with the company. Don't be surprised if he's offered a management position once he ruins your contract.

There are 3 777 LR arriving late March. A additional 3 aircraft will be delivered in Apr, May and June. 2 More will arrive in Jan of 10 for a total of 8 at the moment. There are also 5 more 737-700's arriving this Spring and summer.

So Superpilot, Tell me how you would have handled this situation to provide the most benifit to the pilot group. Keep emotion out of it and tell me what you would have done and what the end benifit to the pilots would be?

Who's opinions are represented at the DALPA? This confirms to me that either the junior DAL pilot opinions carry absolutely no weight OR the majority of DAL pilot views are not represented on this forum because all the fervent talks amongst DAL pilots on DAL thread had me believe that the majority of DAL pilots wanted to push hard to recapture 76 seat RJ flying starting with stapling Compass guys on the DAL list.

Someone on DAL thread said Lee Moak told him RJ flying is good for DAL. That sounds like a direct quote from the DAL top management. That being the case, it sounds like the DALPA union leadership follows the direction of the DAL management closely. If this is true then the idea of recapturing 76 seat RJ flying back to the DAL mainline is just a pipe dream. Only hope for any regional pilot to get the chance to get hired by DAL is IF and WHEN DAL starts to expand globally and adds more mainline jets.

Does that mean DAL will resume hiring or is DAL now more than adequately staffed?

Probably staffed until at least mid 2010.

So lets do a fact check:
76 seat Aircraft for Dci
Pinnacle 16
Mesaba 41
Compass 36
Comair - 14
ASA - 10
SkyWest - 24?
Shuttle America - 12?
Total of 153
Correct anything that is wrong but these are aircraft already on on property or being delivered by june. There should not be any more awards until more mainline aircraft.
DCI = The ultimate whipsaw

Sad but true. I think there will be a one continuous whipsawing after another amongst all the DCI carriers. 10 to ASA is a prime example. Who's next? Your guess is good as mine. It should be an interesting year. I am mentally prepared for the never ending roller coaster ride.
I also think DAL will either trim down or merge some wholly owned ones which will effectively reduce the number of DCI carriers to fewer that what they have now.

S5 has 16 dedicated aircraft to DCI.

There shouldn't be fighting for more aircraft since the 153 number has pretty much already been met.

Another great example as to how worthless ALPA really is!

Wrong, unfortunately. Republic operates 86 seat Emberarers for US Airways. Granted they don't have first class but still the seats......